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Hitler's killing of Jews
Category: Relationships and Society > Politics Asked by: porkster-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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26 Aug 2005 12:50 PDT
Expires: 25 Sep 2005 12:50 PDT Question ID: 560892 |
what year were European leaders aware Jews were being exterminated in camps | |
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Re: Hitler's killing of Jews
From: tutuzdad-ga on 26 Aug 2005 12:56 PDT |
If the truth were known some of them were most defintely aware of it from the first moment it occurred. tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Hitler's killing of Jews
From: badger75-ga on 27 Aug 2005 06:23 PDT |
Hitler was imprisoned for the Beer Hall Putsch in 1924 when he wrote (and had better educated fellow Nazi's ghost write) Mein Kampf. Anyone with a casual familiarity with Hitler had no question he said and wrote what he thought. His anti-semitism, though extreme, was common in Europe. The unfortunate intersection of technology with political control made the Holocaust possible. The earliest industrial planning in Germany dates to the early 1930's. Also, he began using eugenics on the helpless by the mid 1930's. Any well informed person in Europe by 1936-37 had no doubt where the Nazi's were heading. Churchill wrote and spoke about it frequently by then. |
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Re: Hitler's killing of Jews
From: politicalguru-ga on 28 Aug 2005 00:29 PDT |
At least in 1944, there were testimonies, of two men who managed to escape Auschwitz, and to publish a first hand report of what was being done there. The Vrba Wetzler Report <http://www.holocaust-history.org/questions/vrba-wetzler.shtml> VRBA, Rudolf <http://www.abcbookworld.com/?state=view_author&author_id=4770> Rudolf Vrba <http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWvrba.htm> Intelligence reports about what was happenning in the Concentration Camps were available to the allies already in 1943. However, it is not clear if this information was passed on to the leaders. Eavesdropping on hell <http://oracknows.blogspot.com/2005/08/eavesdropping-on-hell.html> Perhaps, there was information even as early as 1941: "Between the first decode in mid July of 1941 and the codes changed every day and so some days they broke the code and some days they couldn't break the code. They couldn't break it more often than they could break it, but they broke it enough between mid July and mid September of 1941 to discern a pattern, because some of these reports talk about 2200 Jews executed in such and such a village, 4400 Jews executed in this city, I mean one report after another, so that the pattern after a while became clear. In mid September of 1941, the chief of the German Order police sent out a very interesting radio warning that the commanders in the field should send ordinary information and confidential information by radio, but that they should not send top secret information by radio because there was a danger that the enemy might intercept and decode, and he specifically said do not send reports of execution totals by radio, send them by courier instead." (SOURCE: WHAT THE ALLIES KNEW, <http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/europe/november96/holocaust_11-20.html>) However, "allies" is not "European leaders", though Churchill and Stalin could be considered (the only) "European leaders" of the time not under Nazi occupation/influence. |
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Re: Hitler's killing of Jews
From: badger75-ga on 28 Aug 2005 14:14 PDT |
"what year were European leaders aware Jews were being exterminated in camps" The timeline of unavoidable events in Europe: 1933-Hitler appointed Chancellor of Germany; Reichstag fire in Berlin; Enabling Law enacted granting Hitler dictatorial powers; Goering becomes Prussian PM and Goebbels becomes Propaganda Minister; the fist concentration camps are built by the Nazi regime inside Germany; boycott of Jewish businesses begins; labor unions dissolved; Nazi Party only official party. 1934-Night of the Long Knives when Nazi leaders out of favor are killed; Hilter and Mussolini meet in Venice; the Chancellor of Austria is assassinated and the Nazi's appt. replacement; German plebiscite declares Hitler Furer; Churchill warns parliament of growing German military menace; 1935-Nazi's repudiate Treaty of Versailles; claim Saarland as part of Germany; compulsory military draft starts; Nuremberg Laws against Jews enacted; eugenics laws used to imprison "undesireables" in concentration camps. 1936-Germany builds Siegfried Line; German troops occupy Rhineland; election gives Hitler 99% support; Hitler and Mussolini declare "Rome-Berlin Axis"; Oswald Mosley, prominent British fascist organizes anti-semitic marches in London; various diplomatic moves between Germany-Italy-Austria to consolidate Hitler's power. 1937-Poland refuses to cede Danzig to Germany; Italy withdraws from League of Nations; organized riots in Sudeten area of Czechoslovakia as German members of czech Parliament resign, Czech leader dies; concentration camps used for wider range of persons deemed unhealthy, criminal; Lord Halifax visits Hitler and begins policy of appeasement. 1938-Hitler declares himself War Minister, Ribbentrop becomes Foreign Minister; pogroms encouraged in Germany witnessed by many European and N. American citizens; Sudenten Germans demand autonomy; German military mobilizes on frontiers against Sudetenland and Austria; France calls up military reserves; FDR sends cables encouraging Hitler and Mussolini to settle European differences without war and recalls US ambassador from Germany and Germany reciprocates; anti-Jewish laws enacted in Italy; PM Chamberlain meets Hitler twice and is satisfied; Germany grabs Sudetenland; Eden and other key leaders resign from Chamberlains govt. and Churchill openly criticises them; Austria invaded; construction of concentration camps expands beyond Germany and various methods of mass killing experimented with. 1939-FDR asks Congress for $552 million for defense of Europe and demands assurances from Hitler and Mussolini that they will not attack 31 named countries; Chamberlain and Halifax visit Rome; Germany grabs Bohemia, Moravia, Slovakia, threatens Poland, offers alliance to England; Germany-Soviet non-aggression pact signed; England starts call up for draft and signs defense treaty with Poland; WW II starts as Germany invades Poland; England-France defense pact; British expeditionary force sent to France; Hitler repeatedly offers peace terms to England. |
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Re: Hitler's killing of Jews
From: elaphotomus-ga on 10 Sep 2005 10:56 PDT |
I think crystal night was the shock, that made people realise this. www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERcrystal.htm |
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Re: Hitler's killing of Jews
From: jamesmassola-ga on 02 Oct 2005 08:18 PDT |
Kristalnacht was definitely a turning point in terms of the pogroms and massacres of Jews beginning to take place. Badger 75's answer is quite accurate. Only things i would add are these: Sachsenhausen Konzentrationslager was the first camp built, the "model" camp, in 1936-6 ; it was used fro jews, dissidents, homosexuals, jesuit priests - and so on. Kurt Tucholsky, a noted satirist and humorist, was doing his best to alert the german public in the early 1930's - but his voice was drowned out by rabid anti-communism - fascism was seen as the lesser of two evils, and things like hitler's men kampf were conveniently ignored. If I recall correctly from hitler and stalin: parallel lives (bullock) , the US government was being urged by jewsih groups by 1943 to intervene in the camps in eastern europe, and free polish groups in the UK were also making it widely known to the allies. |
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