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Subject:
UK Employment Law with regards to giving employer notice to leave.
Category: Business and Money > Employment Asked by: rl_london-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
30 Aug 2005 15:15 PDT
Expires: 29 Sep 2005 15:15 PDT Question ID: 562372 |
An employee of mine decided to walk away from work today saying that she did not like it, and quits. Under her contract she is supposed to give one months notice before she goes, and she is well within the time frame stipulated for this clause to be in effect. She owes the company a few days holiday, and her pay cheque for last month has not been paid as yet. What am I allowed to do with her pay? I feel that as she has a contractual notice period of one month, which she has chosen to give up, she owes us the pay that she would have received in that month, i.e. We do not have to pay her for last month's work as she has left without giving one months notice, thus last months pay is cancelled out by next months notice. Is this correct? If I have to pay her the full wages, what is the point of a notice period if an employee can just walk off with no penalties whatsoever? If I have to pay her for the work done, and not deduct anything for the notice period not served, should I only deduct the holiday days taken but not earned yet from the pay and that?s it? If so, I think it?s very unfair on the employer as I would have to give notice to fire her, but she can walk out when ever she wants, and I can do nothing about it! Is there anything I can do to remedy the situation? She was in an important job, and has now left the firm in disarray as she left so abruptly. The costs of finding a new staff member will be high in both financial and time terms. In your answer, please could you make a note of the section of law that you are basing your decision on. I am not looking for a hugely lengthy answer, but one that will decisively tell me my rights on this, and what my action should be. Please note that this question is from the UK and the answer should be based on English Law. |
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Re: UK Employment Law with regards to giving employer notice to leave.
Answered By: jumpingjoe-ga on 31 Aug 2005 12:40 PDT Rated: |
Hi there! This sort of thing must be intensely irritating for you. Unfortunately, there's not much you can do. I'll handle your two queries separately, but if you think there's something I've missed then please request clarification and I'll come straight back to you. Particularly, I've not been able to refer you to legal sources so much as you would like, as English employment law is such a hotch-potch of ancient common law and modern EU regulation. Please also note the plentiful disclaimers about what this service is, and what it is not. You should consult a solicitor before taking any of this on board. Acas are also there to provide impartial legal advice to employers, find them at http://www.acas.org.uk No Notice When your employee leaves without giving the notice due under her contract, she is in breach of that contract. Legally, when someone wrongfully terminates a contract they have with you, then that ends all your obligations under that contract from that point on. When your employee does work for you, that gives rise to an obligation to pay. So you still have to pay her for the work she did prior to termination, because your obligation to pay arose at that time. Setting aside any possibility that you constructively dismissed her, she is however in breach of contract. This means that she is liable for damage that you suffer as a result of the breach. So long as you can show that the damage arose as a result of her premature departure, and the damage was reasonably foreseeable, you may be able to claim. Practically, this could be the difference between her wages and a temp that you have to hire at short notice to do her work, i.e. a couple of pounds per hour. At the larger scale, projects that she was working on going wrong and costing you money could be recoverable. Meanwhile, you are expected to be doing everything reasonably necessary to reduce the damage that you suffer. Unsurprisingly, these cases are rare. The leading case which you could look at, should you be interested, is Anglia Television Ltd v Reed [1972] 1 QB 60, [1971] 3 All ER 690. The Reed in question is Oliver Reed, a notoriously unreliable man to employ. Annual leave You're stuck here too. The position you describe was considered by the Employment Appeal Tribunal, at this link: - http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/uk/cases/UKEAT/2002/1250_01_2003.html&query= The most pertinent extract is here(ERA = Employment Rights Act 1996; the 'regs' are the Working Time Regulations 1998): "The appellant was entitled to and did receive wages for the 15 days? holiday taken during her employment. Credit for the extra five days? holiday pay will only arise where there is express provision made in a relevant agreement. In those circumstances an exception is made under s.13(1) ERA; the deduction of excess holiday pay from his/her final wage entitlement is authorised by a relevant provision of the worker?s contract and/or he has previously signified in writing his agreement or consent (by the relevant agreement) to the making of the deduction. Section 14(1) ERA is immaterial whether or not there is a relevant agreement. There is no ?overpayment? of holiday pay. The worker is entitled to paid holiday, up to 20 days per annum, under reg. 16(1). It is only where there is a relevant agreement providing for credit to be given to the employer for excess holiday taken that reg. 14(4) permits the employer to recover the excess payment in accordance with s.13(1) ERA." You'll see that if you had entered into a 'relevant agreement' with your employer you could recover the money. A solicitor could write one of these for you. I hope this answers your query, but please bear in mind that Google Answers is no substitute for professional legal advice. Before taking any action you should consult a solicitor or Acas. Search strategy: Own personal knowledge Google search with keywords: liable damages employee resign Searches of BAILII - http://www.bailii.org Subscription-based secondary legal sources |
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Re: UK Employment Law with regards to giving employer notice to leave.
From: dprk007-ga on 30 Aug 2005 16:54 PDT |
My suggestion (and I am not an Employment lawyer) Calculate what you owe her up to and including her last day of work (minus any vacation time which you considered not owed. Use judgement and common sense on this one). Send her a Cheque and a letter explaining how the amount was calculated. Also expalin that you are not paying her for the rest of her notice period as she has agreed not to work them. Do this as soon as possible (i.e Today) And of course keep a record of this written communication. Then leave it at that. If she feels hard done by she can always try and sue you (Somehow I doubt she will) DPRK007 PS If you think she owes you money I would be inclined to forget it. Just send her a letter confirming date of her resignation. |
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Re: UK Employment Law with regards to giving employer notice to leave.
From: myoarin-ga on 31 Aug 2005 06:41 PDT |
HI Nelson-ga, That comment was not constructive (ignoring the unnecessary four letter word). Perhaps the employee has an attractive job offer that insists that she start on Sept. 1. We just don't know. Myoarin |
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Re: UK Employment Law with regards to giving employer notice to leave.
From: nelson-ga on 31 Aug 2005 15:59 PDT |
I guess I should have said crap instead. It's more genteel. The questioner says the employee said she "did not like it". No mention of better offers. |
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Re: UK Employment Law with regards to giving employer notice to leave.
From: rl_london-ga on 31 Aug 2005 16:22 PDT |
Hi nelson-ga, I also feel your comment was not constructive, and just to let you know we pay above average wages, have a very generous holiday and bonus scheme, and have been voted one of the top 100 small businesses to work for. Therefore, I think your slavery remark is a little over the top. Finally, contracts are not passé but an essential part of the employer/employee relationship. Thanks for your input though. |
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Re: UK Employment Law with regards to giving employer notice to leave.
From: nelson-ga on 31 Aug 2005 21:08 PDT |
This is why I love the Brits. They thank you even when you insult them. Seriously, except for unionized workers, employers in the U.S. are generally not using contracts. Many states have "at-will" employment, where an employee can quit or be fired without notice. (I remember when watching Bridget Jones, I was surprised that Daniel threatened the quiting Bridget over her contact stipulation. I guess they are still widespread in England.) |
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Re: UK Employment Law with regards to giving employer notice to leave.
From: jago8-ga on 02 Sep 2005 03:55 PDT |
In the UK, the letter offering someone a job is the contract. It includes stuff like what the pay is and how many days holiday. Any sensible employer gets the employee to sign and return a copy. Doesn't that count as a contract in the States? It may or may not include a notice period on either side, but market practice is for some notice both ways, often a month. This lets employees have some protection from having their income cut off immediately, as well as giving the employer time to find a replacement. Anyhow, my advice based on many years or being an employer is the same as dprk's - she probably won't sue or even take you to an IT. Also, wait until you get a reference request. You both can and should respond to it saying that she walked out on her contractual obligation of giving you notice. |
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Re: UK Employment Law with regards to giving employer notice to leave.
From: jumpingjoe-ga on 03 Oct 2005 10:01 PDT |
The CBI have just released a report where they say what a raw deal employers get under the current system. You may find it interesting: http://www.cbi.org.uk/ndbs/press.nsf/0363c1f07c6ca12a8025671c00381cc7/33f9830ed75f765b8025708800523621?OpenDocument Apologies for long link. |
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Re: UK Employment Law with regards to giving employer notice to leave.
From: mongolia-ga on 05 Oct 2005 15:05 PDT |
jumpingjoe The CBI is hardly an unbiased source of opinion when it comes to employment law!. The reality is that in just about every country , the employer has ALL the power unless the employee has a well specified legal contract (as most if not all CEOs do) or are members of a union. Companies now resort to arbitarily sacking employees by saying it is a "redundancy". In this way they do not have to justify the sacking. They will offer the employee a specified amount of money hoping that the employee will accept and also knowing that if the employee threatens to go to a tribunal or to a lawyer then they may not supply a reference for any future perspective employer. I would also point out that the law in the UK is wholly unfair in terms of discrimination in that someone who is made "redundant" has not a legal leg to stand on if they claim it is due to age bias or indeed sexual orientation. However a woman who is pregnant has very strong recourse (including re-instatement) if she is fired (in the UK). Regards Mongolia |
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