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Category: Science Asked by: larry11-ga List Price: $100.00 |
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31 Aug 2005 11:56 PDT
Expires: 30 Sep 2005 11:56 PDT Question ID: 562737 |
Will communication towers be rendered obsolete by satelittes performing the present communication tower function - in the next 20 years? I am told that the present communication tower infrastructure will be used for decades to come. What is the consensus of educated people in this field? Person answering should be knowledgable in this field. I am asking this question as part of due diligence for investment purposes. |
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Re: science
From: alanpea-ga on 31 Aug 2005 15:42 PDT |
There has been an answer in the past few years and neither of your communication systems, towers or satellites has won. A few years ago, a satellite system, Teledesic, was proposed to provide high speed digital commumication between any points on earth. It failed in that after spending more than $100 million on design, it was not constructed because an alternative system could provide higher speed, higher capacity and lower cost. This winning system is optical fiber. According to a Cisco website: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/mels/cm1500/dwdm/dwdm_fns.htm over one fiber at one wavelength, it is possible to transmit data at 2.5 to 40 Gbs (2.5 to 40 times 10^9) bits/second and one can send 16 to over 160 different closely space wavelengths for potentially 40 x 160 = 6400 Gbs over one optical fiber. This capacity is incredably higher than any satellite or tower system. This capacity growth is what severely damaged the fiber optic industry, in that a single fiber can carry an immense flow of data, so who needs more fibers. You can find many old Teledesic web sites via a Google search. They all paint a rosy picture of a failed idea and business plan. A satellite system that was actually built is Iridium, that provides satellite phone service world-wide. Service started 11/98, entered chapter 11 bankruptcy 8/99. Iridium cost ~$5 billion and was purchased by Iridium LLC in 2001. Iridium is now in operation, in large part supported by US military users. Iridium provides low data speed, about 2400 bits/second. Find Iridium info at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_(satellite) I would view investment in either towers or satellite data transmission systems as generally not competitive with buried optical fiber. |
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Re: science
From: larry11-ga on 01 Sep 2005 04:28 PDT |
My question centered on whether or not Towers would be obsolete in 20 to even 30 years. I realize there is no "absolute" answer. But, if fiber optic is not feasible due to costs to install; Iridium's costs are in the billions and the only one who can afford it is the military > seems that Towers are needed to service the mass population for a long time to come. Your conclusion that that towers or satellite is NOT competetive with buried optical fiber is a bit confusing from a practical/reality perspective. The cost of burying the fiber optic cables is enormous...most likely more than the satelittes if considered on a national basis. I would like more comment on this subject. |
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Re: science
From: grand_t-ga on 01 Sep 2005 17:36 PDT |
Every system has it's limits, an boundaries that it can reach & everything has a potential for failure, back-ups to modern systems will continue to b in use for along time to come, communication towers are expected 2 b used as emergency backups to the satalite system, as of when they may fail, the military also has plans to continue using comunication towers. As the general use of the towers decreases the military will have a free channel to comunicate with nothing else using the system, as the analogue system will of been replaced by the digital, & the interference caused by so many of these signals will be a thing of the past & of a great use 2 the military in both tracking a signal & comunicating over vast distances, comunication towers still have a big part 2 play as it will be the cheapest of them all, & will always have a major use |
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Re: science
From: rak1-ga on 02 Sep 2005 11:25 PDT |
Making 20 year predictions in technology is risky, but I?ll take a crack anyway. I would argue that there are some fundamental physical reasons why satellite is unlikely to do away with comms towers. Different techs are suited to different purposes. Satellite is best where ubiquitous coverage is vital (think satellite phones for emergency workers) or where many users are being broadcast the same information (think satellite TV). However, satellite has some disadvantages. It is distant, so anyone sending signals up to the satellite needs a relatively powerful signal. This can be an issue if the device is mobile since it impacts battery life. Thus cell phones are unlikely to switch to satellite any time soon. Also, because of the distance satellite links have higher latency ? a lag between sending a signal and getting a response. This doesn?t matter for TV, but is annoying for voice and can be detrimental for data. (One solution to the latency problem is to have many low-orbit satellites, like Iridium, but this is an expensive and complex solution). Finally, because of the distance, the frequency of the radio signal needs to be lower. This inherently limits the amount of bandwidth available for satellite comms ? the higher frequencies used for some terrestrial transmissions are not suitable. This is not an issue at satellite traffic volumes today, but if you were discussing a scenario where a significant percentage of wireless traffic migrated to satellites, it might be a problem. Terrestrial wireless solutions do require many towers, but they avoid the problems above, and can make more efficient use of spectrum (since a given frequency can be reused many times in different locations). One coming technology that will make additional usage of communication towers is wimax, which can be crudely thought of as long-range wi-fi. See http://www.intel.com/netcomms/technologies/wimax/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimax for more details. A number of major companies are investing in wimax, which will use comms towers, so I think you can take some comfort that the industry consensus is against the idea that satellites will make them irrelevant. Incidentally, I currently work for a major US telco, but I am not an engineer. |
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Re: science
From: dthomas-ga on 07 Sep 2005 14:27 PDT |
I don't know about obsolete, but Im in South Mississippi and we've just experienced the devastation of our landline, fiber optic and cell tower infrastructure by Hurricane Katrina. The only way to communicate in most places is with a SATELLITE PHONE! |
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Re: science
From: anurag_jain-ga on 29 Sep 2005 02:27 PDT |
Please refer to the following blog: http://spinynebula.blogspot.com/2004/10/limits-of-technology-example-by.html |
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