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Chemistry of adding water to air/fuel mixture in an internal combustion engine
Category: Science > Chemistry Asked by: wizzlon-ga List Price: $50.00 |
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07 Sep 2005 08:31 PDT
Expires: 07 Oct 2005 08:31 PDT Question ID: 565212 |
I am not a chemist but I am looking for a satisfactory explanation of the chemstry of adding water to the air/fuel mixture in a petrol internal combustion engine. From researching on the internet I understand there are two effects: 1. Cooling to reduce the volume of incoming air. (increasing the air mass flow) 2. Knock reduction (in the same way as a lead additive) promotes an even combustion allowing for timing advance and more power output. My interest is that I am considering the possibilty of adding a system to my car wherby water held at a fixed pressure is sprayed into the inlet manifold in the correct proportion (i.e by having the control unit intercepting signals from engine rpm / air mass meter signal / fuel injector duty cycle ). If you want some parameters the details of my car are: 2 Litre naturally aspirated engine 4 cylinders/4 injectors does 43mpg cruising at 65mph so will flow approx 7 litres of petrol an hour which is about 1.75L per injector of fuel. I dont know how much air will be flowed in this time. Any supplementary pointers to text books etc that might have covered this welcome. I have installed one such system already that runs off manifold vacuum and found no change in hydrocarbon emissions or power output on the rolling road, although it consumes approximatly a litre of water every 50 miles irrespective of engine speed/load conditions. |
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Re: Chemistry of adding water to air/fuel mixture in an internal combustion engine
From: neilzero-ga on 07 Sep 2005 18:45 PDT |
I have heard that a trace of water is essentual for most chemical reactions including combustion. Since air contains some water vapor; my guess is a tiny milage and/or performance improvement with most engines, with more water added. If you supply the same ammout of water while idling as other conditions; improvement is likely to be negligible. A freind is of the opinion that drops of water will knock the carbon deposits off the inside of the engine. My guess is there is some risk of damage if large drops of water hit very hot engine parts. Neil |
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Re: Chemistry of adding water to air/fuel mixture in an internal combustion engi
From: myoarin-ga on 07 Sep 2005 19:52 PDT |
I don't have the slightest idea if your proposal is feasable, but in theory, H2O will supply additional fuel, the hydrogen and oxygen combusting. Years ago, I saw a design for an oil heater that had water dripping into the flaming area with this effect. I wonder if there are any studies about variances in power with gas or diesel engines due to the humidity of the air? |
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Re: Chemistry of adding water to air/fuel mixture in an internal combustion engine
From: acrh2-ga on 07 Sep 2005 23:16 PDT |
I am a professional chemist, and the idea of adding water to a gasoline/air mixture to improve combustion doesn't make any sense. Perhaps, you need to ask someone with technical expertise in internal combustion engines, and not chemisty. |
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Re: Chemistry of adding water to air/fuel mixture in an internal combustion engine
From: bartschaye-ga on 08 Sep 2005 03:45 PDT |
I would recommend checking out MIT's free online class IC engines: http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Mechanical-Engineering/2-61Spring2004/CourseHome/index.htm Buy the book: Heywood, John B. Internal Combustion Engine Fundamentals. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1988. ISBN: 007028637X. We used the same book at U Wisc-Madison where I received my BS in Mech Eng in 2001. Water is incompressible and you risk serious damage to your engine if you add it to your fuel/air mixture. That is why you should never drive your car through deep water and why Hummvees have snorkels on them. The minute amount of water present in air as vapor will not damage your engine, but you will not gain anything from increasing the content. Heywood's book is great and can explain my answer using hard numbers. Hope this helps! |
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Re: Chemistry of adding water to air/fuel mixture in an internal combustion engine
From: omnivorous-ga on 08 Sep 2005 05:03 PDT |
Wizzlon -- The technique has been used in high-compression engines. It originated with engines in turbocharged and supercharged aircraft during World War II, primarily to reduce detonation (engine knock) that is catastrophic in high-compression engines -- http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/WaterInjection.html Suggested Google search strategy: water "high-compression" engine Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
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Re: Chemistry of adding water to air/fuel mixture in an internal combustion engine
From: hfshaw-ga on 08 Sep 2005 13:37 PDT |
As arch2's comment implies, there is no direct "chemical" effect of adding water to the fuel-air mixture in an internal combustion engine. Contrary to myoarin's comment, water will not "supply additional fuel" to the system. Water is, in fact, one of the *products* of combustion of hydrocarbon fuels, and the combination of hydrogen and oxygen in a water molecule is the lowest energy state for these elements under ambient conditions. Any water that's added to the system before combustion simply exits the system unreacted as part of the exhaust. The addition of water *does* have a physical effect, namely the reduction of the temperature (due to the heat capacity and latent heat of vaporization of water). This, in turn, reduces the likelihood of detonation or premature ignition in the engine. See http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/WaterInjection.html |
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Re: Chemistry of adding water to air/fuel mixture in an internal combustion engine
From: vsssarma-ga on 01 Oct 2005 12:51 PDT |
I am a Mechanical Engineer working as the Technical Manager of a Petroleum Marketing company. Adding water or water vapour drastically reduces the Octane Number rating of the charge sent into the Engine Cylinder. The engine will develop cracks due to 'Knocking'. Conversion of Water into Hydrogen and then using that Hydrogen for combustion (it needs oxygen to burn) is a very long process and is not applicable in this case. Please do not try it. It is a wasteful experiment. |
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