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Subject:
ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
Category: Health Asked by: rosebudd-ga List Price: $20.00 |
Posted:
08 Sep 2005 19:36 PDT
Expires: 08 Oct 2005 19:36 PDT Question ID: 565913 |
I recently underwent an abdominal/pelvic CT scan (diverticulosis). I was pleased that the procedure lasted approximately 15-20 minutes... San Francisco California Pacific Medical Center's fee + a very reasonable radiologist fee totalled $7,604. I think I have gone insane and now may need a cranial CT. Why is that I have researched/read that this particular CT scan would average approximately 1/3 the cost of a "one day stay" in the hospital, exclusive of any surgery, etc. So it's now approximately $22,800 for a one day stay in the hospital, exclusive of surgery!? I am aware that the CT scanners cost a couple of million... but at this rate, they are paid for within 30 days. Can anyone explain the exhorbitant cost for this procedure? |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: crabcakes-ga on 08 Sep 2005 20:07 PDT |
I can't explain why fees vary, but a large part of your CT fees go to the radiologist. Diagnostic radiologists must be medical doctors with additional training in radiology. Their fees are quite high, but you are getting a great deal of expertise. " Technical fee: The technical fee covers the use of equipment, film, supplies and technical personnel and is billed by the facility/ hospital. Radiologist's fee: The radiologist's fee covers the reading of the x-ray films and any written or oral consultation you may have with the radiologist." http://www.phs.org/facilities/patguide/service.shtml Continuing education and licensing fees are also very expensive. http://www.virtualcolonoscopy.net/training.html http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/radiology/educ-opps/resident-education.cfm |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: rosebudd-ga on 08 Sep 2005 20:58 PDT |
The radiologist's fees were less than a 10% tip... $278 for the abdominal CT and $253 for the pelvic CT. You are way off the mark on this one. I am continuing to do my own research on fee scheduling for this type of procedure. |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: rosebudd-ga on 08 Sep 2005 21:12 PDT |
holy cow! I sure as heck hope I didn't pay a $20 fee for the comment regarding the high cost of radiologist fees. That doesn't wash. |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: pinkfreud-ga on 08 Sep 2005 21:15 PDT |
rosebudd, Comments are totally free. Other than the fifty-cent listing fee, your account will only be charged if and when an official Answer is posted by a Researcher. |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: rosebudd-ga on 09 Sep 2005 12:09 PDT |
The renown Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota charges $3210 for this procedure. |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: angy-ga on 10 Sep 2005 05:48 PDT |
Silly question,maybe, but have you asked them if there's been an error ?? Here in Australia you're entitled to be given the list of fees up front. |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: rosebudd-ga on 10 Sep 2005 07:19 PDT |
I'm afraid there is no error. I guess one doesn't think first off, "what's this going to cost", especially if you are covered by insurance? When I saw the statement, I thought there was error, but it is correct according to their billing office. It's outrageous and that's why I decided to get a cost quote from the Mayo Clinic for comparison. |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: welte-ga on 10 Sep 2005 07:25 PDT |
Hey rosebudd-ga, I agree with angy-ga. I work in the medical field and can say that there are instances where the wrong codes are entered for a procedure, patients are mixed up, etc. There could be another patient with a similar name or medical record number with whom your billing was mixed up. Often when you inquire about these types of things, you're talking with one of the billing admin assistants, who will look in the computer and say, yeah you were billed for $7000, so it's no mistake that you received a bill for that amount. You probably need to talk with one of the financial counselors at SF Cal Pacific to get a real challange to your bill. I'm an MD and I still get bills for medical care that were improperly billed or not properly payed by my insurance company from years ago that I haven't been able to sort out. It's a great system. Another option is to contact your doctor, who will at least know who to ask within the speficie SF Cal Pacific system about inquiring about the bill. -welte-ga |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: babblemouth-ga on 11 Sep 2005 19:16 PDT |
This does not answer your question specifically, but a very interesting webpage concerning medical charges is: <http://www.dhmc.org/webpage.cfm?site_id=2&org_id=564&morg_id=0&sec_id=0&gsec_id=29715&item_id=29715> Dartmouth is a national leader in self-reporting of various hospital facts, performance rates, and other information; the above link is a list of charges (both professional fees and technical fees) for various diagnostic tests. If you snoop around a bit more at dhmc.org, you can see what other things cost as well... Also remember that while these are the fees charged, they are not the amounts paid. Insurance companies "buy in bulk" and so are able to pay less than the charged fee, because there's simply nothing the hospitals/physicians can do to force those big powerful companies to pay more... but an individual who fails to pay can be sued, their home and car taken away, or their wages garnished! (I am not sure how often this actually happens, I imagine it is quite rare). |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: rosebudd-ga on 11 Sep 2005 21:37 PDT |
Thank you for your post welte! Following receipt of this billing statement, I contacted Pacific to get an "estimate" for this procedure thinking that I would have some ammunition when I called the their billing department to let them know an error had been made. There was no mistake re: the "double in cost" for this particular procedure. That is why I decided to contact U of M for their fee schedule, which was virtually no different than the Mayo Clinic. Understand that this horrific fee charged by Pacific for this procedure does not adversely affect my pocket book now, but in the long run, it does affect insurance premiums, which are already are at an all time high. Imagine if this procedure required a one day stay in the hospital. Actually, at this cost, one would think it would have been included. |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: ed777-ga on 12 Sep 2005 00:56 PDT |
If you try other countries, as mentioned in medicalcountries.com, you will find they have equal, better, or worse quality at up to 1/20 the price. (Depending on the provided you chose in that country) |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: linezolid-ga on 12 Sep 2005 09:26 PDT |
I think that y'all may have missed the most important information in this question. The cost of the exam and the doctor's fee for reading it (which seem astonishingly high to me, but I am a doctor in a city hospital: we specialize in the poor and medically underserved, and the fee for such an exam would be about 1/10 of the price cited) are irrelevant. I quote: "I think I have gone insane and now may need a cranial CT" -- my God, people! This poor man thinks he's losing his marbles! Have some compassion, ferchrissakes! Now, Rosebudd-ga, it may be a truism to say so, but in my experience, people who are becoming mentally ill rarely say to themselves "I think I have gone insane". More often than not, they develop social problems: difficulty dealing with spouse or family, losing friends, substance abuse, losing their job, and so on. In any case, a CT of the brain is probably not indicated. You should go to a good general practitioner (an internist or family medicine specialist, for example) and tell him or her what's bothering you. He or she will evaluate you, will order the appropriate tests or refer you to a specialist (psychiatrist, endocrinologist, or neurologist, for example) as appropriate. Honestly, the last thing you should be doing is researching the cost of a CT. Good luck, and feel better. |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: rosebudd-ga on 12 Sep 2005 12:17 PDT |
Linezolid, You have got to be kidding! The comment that I made "I think I have gone insane and now I think I made need a cranial CT" was said in total jest and you took that literally, ferrchrissakes? No, I am not loosing my marbles as you suggest. My time belongs to me and if I opt to spend 30 minutes to obtain a cost comparison of a CT scan that I feel was performed at an outrageous cost, that is my choice to do so. It is also my right to ask questions, no matter how ridiculous you seem to think they are. And guess what? It is also my right to choose and/or change my medical care provider. |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: linezolid-ga on 12 Sep 2005 15:26 PDT |
Well, Rosebudd, I take it all back: you have, indeed, gone a bit nuts. |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: rosebudd-ga on 12 Sep 2005 16:59 PDT |
That's ok, I forgive you and your smug attitude. However, if indeed you are a physician, I sympathize with the individual that might encounter your medical service, i.e., diagnosis/prognosis and/or advice based on your replies to this original posting. You might try giving a good listen rather than drawing conclusions from what you believe to be your ability to "read between the lines":) |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: jazzin-ga on 13 Sep 2005 18:26 PDT |
The cranial CT scan fee seems terribly high. I agree that there is a radiologist fee which applies to any interpretation of a diagnostic test, however, that fee seems grossly overstated. Inpatient surgeries don't even cost that much. If you don't have insurance, perhaps consider going to another state to have this done or see if there is a charity sliding scale payment protocol |
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Re: ABDOMINAL PELVIC CT SCAN with CONTRAST
From: rosebudd-ga on 13 Sep 2005 19:30 PDT |
thank you for your (kind) input Jazzin. The excessive fee of $7,604 was actually for an abdominal and pelvic CT scan. The radiologist's fees were only $525 above and beyond that fee. I am covered by insurance. By the way, thanks to Babblemouth's suggestion to check out Dartmouth's fees for healthcare services on the web... they specifically outline their diagonostic test as $2,021 for abdominal and $2,228 for pelvis CT scans. My curiousity got the better of me in that I simply wanted to find out or get an answer to why a medical establishment in SF could charge such an outrageous fee for this specific exam, when other noted medical institutions in other parts of the country charge substantially less. |
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