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Subject: Muslims and their beliefs in Allah
Category: Reference, Education and News
Asked by: kaz1959-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 13 Sep 2005 12:01 PDT
Expires: 01 Oct 2005 12:18 PDT
Question ID: 567640
In 624AD Muhammad went into battle with an army of 313 people
including young boys.  They expected to die and were prepared to die
for their God if they had to.  Despite a battle againt 1000 men ,
Muhammad's army won.  How would ths have affected Muhammad's
popularity and Muslim beiiefs about God?
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Subject: Re: Muslims and their beliefs in Allah
From: myoarin-ga on 13 Sep 2005 19:40 PDT
 
If you don't need a quotation from the "Medina Times" or "Jerusalem
Post" of the day, it would seem obvious that it would have been a
convincing demonstration to Muhammad's followers (and many sceptics)
that Allah was on their side.
But this affect is not unique in history:  Moses, leading the Jews out
of Egypt and reconquering The Promised Land, profited from it; as did
the Crusaders (not always).  The affect was wearing a little thin
after the European religious wars and wore out completely in WW I,
when German lost despite the motto:  "Gott mit uns."
Let's leave Iraq out of this.
Subject: Re: Muslims and their beliefs in Allah
From: kaz1959-ga on 15 Sep 2005 05:56 PDT
 
again thankyou myoarin-ga for your helpful comments, this will help me
assist mt daughter with her RE homework.
Subject: Re: Muslims and their beliefs in Allah
From: myoarin-ga on 15 Sep 2005 07:12 PDT
 
Kaz,  many thanks in return, also for your comment on the other question.
You don't know how often questions are "expired" without any comment.
It is a pleasure to be able to help.

Here is a site that refers to the battle.  I was thinking that it was
a raid or "razzia", popular at the time, but it seems to have been a
more serious engagement:

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:T2ZqEO-4pjYJ:www.wsu.edu/~dee/TEXT/islam.rtf+razzia+origin&hl=de&client=firefox-a

Scroll down about 1/3 to find the reference.

This is the rtf  (rich text format) version:

www.wsu.edu/~dee/TEXT/islam.rtf

Leave the questions open (unless you want to save the price); perhaps
someone else has additional information that is useful.
Best regards, Myoarin
Subject: Re: Muslims and their beliefs in Allah
From: 2012120-ga on 27 Sep 2005 09:40 PDT
 
Hi kaz1959-ga,

I think you are referring to the Battle of Badr. I have found some
links for you and your daughter. Hopefully, it will not be too late
for your daughter?s homework.


The Battle of Badr
http://www.al-islam.org/kaaba14/2.htm

"In the 2nd year of Hijra, 624 AD, 'The Battle of Badr' took place.
The Makkans marched towards Madina with 1000 soldiers. Muhammad (SA)
with his army of 313 men cam out of Madina. Badr is situated some 10
miles south of Madina and 240 miles north of Makka. The Makkans
travelled all the way to Madina to defeat Islam. The Muslims had no
choice but to defend Islam. Hamza, Ali Obaida came out of the Muslim
side in single combat with the chiefs of Makka who were all slain. The
battle ensued and at the end of the day the Makkans were defeated with
70 dead, while very few muslims were killed. Those Makkans who were
taken captive were told that if they could teach muslims to read and
write, they would live freely in the city and be provided with food
and shelter. This was a clear direction that gaining knowledge was the
first priority in Islam. "

Jehad And Civilization ? 1
http://islamreview.org/AnwarShaikh/sexviolence/chapter7.html

"To assess the significance of the Battle of Badr, one must realize
that had the Prophet lost it, the doctrine of Islam would have been
laid to rest along with the bodies of its crusaders. This little
event, in fact, proved to be a vigorous seed, whose branches spread
into both the east and west. However, the west checked its growth in
the Battle of Tours. Such a great contribution has been made by this
event to the survival and advancement of civilization that I am
tempted to continue it as part two of this article. "
 
Battle of Badr
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Articles/companion/10_ali_bin_talib.htm

"In its dimensions the Battle of Badr was one of the most
insignificant battles, but in its significance it proved to be one of
the most momentous battles in the history of mankind. The battle
became a turning point in the history of Islam. If the Muslims had
lost the battle, that would have been the end of Islam as the Holy
Prophet himself feared. The Muslim victory in the battle established
the truth of Islam. The battle humbled the pride of the Quraish. It
cast a pall of mourning over Makkah for almost every family among the
Quraish lost some dear one in the battle. The Quraish who had
persecuted the Muslims for over eleven years had now to lick up their
own wounds. The battle became the beginning of the end of paganism in
Arabia. The tribes who had under the influence of the Quraish refused
to listen to the message of Islam now felt the need of winning the
favor of the Muslims. With the defeat of their allies, the Jews of
Madina were forced to rethink of their relationship with the Muslims.
Because of the booty that the Muslims received at the battle, the
economic condition of the Muslims in Madina improved. The battle
adversely affected the economic conditions of the Quraish firstly
because of the loss that they suffered at the battle, and secondly
because the trade route to Syria became unsafe for them. The great
significance of the battle was that it assured the Muslims that a
great destiny awaited him. The Holy Prophet felt happy that God had
fulfilled His promise with him. The battle proved to be a landmark in
the life of Ali for thereafter he came to be acclaimed as the greatest
and the bravest warrior among the Muslims. Because of his bravery in
the Battle of Badr, Ali won from the Holy Prophet the title of
"Haider-i-Karrar" the warrior whom no body could beat. "
Subject: Re: Muslims and their beliefs in Allah
From: kaz1959-ga on 01 Oct 2005 12:18 PDT
 
thank you to 2012120-ga great help

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