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Why is foaming soap better?
Category: Science > Technology Asked by: whypilatesworks-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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13 Sep 2005 18:30 PDT
Expires: 13 Oct 2005 18:30 PDT Question ID: 567777 |
Foaming soap dispensers for both home and industrial use are becoming quite popular. Why is foaming soap a superior to liquid soap for cleaning hands? Your explanation should competently explain the relationship between foam and tensegrity. If possible, please quantify the advantage: how much soap is needed to wash your hands when it is foamed and when it's not? How much water? For washing the same amount of time, how much more effecctive is foaming soap at killing bacteria, etc. |
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Re: Why is foaming soap better?
From: tomandsharonz-ga on 13 Sep 2005 20:10 PDT |
Hi, This is a completely unofficial answer, but I believe this is simply a marketing strategy. Foaming soap requires "less product," but can be sold for more money. This allows the manufacturing to reduce quantity and cost and increase revenue. I am unaware of the foaming action to be more effective than liquid soap; more important is probably washing time, friction, and the use of warm water and proper rising. Hope this helps. Tom |
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Re: Why is foaming soap better?
From: whypilatesworks-ga on 13 Sep 2005 21:48 PDT |
Thanks for your comment. From my anecdotal experience, it's quite clear that foamed soap is more effective than soap in a liquid form. I have experimented with one of the Sudz soaps from Kiss My Face; one squirt from the dispenser is very effective at cleaning my hands -- it seems to be about 10x less soap than I use with a pump dispenser. Even more striking is now well this foam works in cleaning my glasses -- it is very thorough in removing the grease from my lenses. The foaming process happens in the dispenser. AFAIK, many "normal" liquid soaps can be used in the dispenser. Dial sells foaming soap refills that are comparable to the cost of other soap refills. To coin a phrase or two, I think this bursts the bubble that manufacturers are artificially inflating the price of foam'd soap. There's something that happens energetically when soap is foamed. Note: foam is not a stable state for the soap; it will rapidly break down to bigger bubbles if left in the open. The site http://www.cockeyed.com/inside/foamsoap/foamsoap.html shows the foam life-cycle. --phil |
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Re: Why is foaming soap better?
From: tomandsharonz-ga on 19 Sep 2005 13:17 PDT |
Very interesting. I had no idea... I'll be curious to the answer... thanks. |
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Re: Why is foaming soap better?
From: jastsui-ga on 22 Sep 2005 14:10 PDT |
It seems the only difference between foamed and unfoamed soap (if you are using the same product) is the form it takes. Thus, the increase in effectiveness is almost definitely a result of the foaming action. The answer to this problem seems to have several possible components. The most obvious is that the surface area of a "foamed" soap is much, much larger than the same quantity of soap in its "unfoamed" form. As the surface area increases, so does the interaction between the soap and whatever it is you are trying to wash away. This increased amount of interaction allows the soap to more quickly solvate (which is how soap works) this unwanted material. Another, more much complicated possibility is related to fluid mechanics. The fluid in a bubble is moving much faster than it is in a standing form. This increase in velocity helps the two substances (the soap and the grease, for example) to mix more quickly, and thus it solvates faster. You can look here for a summary of this "turbulent mixing": http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.fluid.36.050802.122015 Quantitative measures of these types of reactions are really tough, and might even be beyond the reach of modern computers to simulate. I'm not sure how you might get an estimate of your fluid soap to foamed soap ratio except by experimentation. Hope this helps, Jason |
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Re: Why is foaming soap better?
From: whypilatesworks-ga on 23 Sep 2005 18:39 PDT |
Thanks, Jason. That is a very helpful response. I will persue the research article you mentioned. There is something counterintuitive in my thinking about surface area. I understand that the foam itself has a very large fractal-like surface area. But it would seem as if there would be the same surface size of contact if you completely dipped your hands in liquid soap. OTOH, liquid soap on your hands doesn't seem to solvate the dirt/grease; one must fist lather up the soap before it becomes effective. In short, I don't know how the concept of surface area works in this context. --phil |
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Re: Why is foaming soap better?
From: myoarin-ga on 23 Sep 2005 19:21 PDT |
Perhaps with liquid soap, much of it is wasted, not coming in contact with the dirt. Maybe if one used less liquid soap and more effort to foam it, this would be overcome, but most of us just take a squirt and rinse the soap off under running water, adequate - and wasteful - in most cases; we aren't surgeons. |
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