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How do I value/sell my share of a partnership?
Category: Business and Money > Finance Asked by: ernie48-ga List Price: $25.00 |
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14 Sep 2005 12:09 PDT
Expires: 14 Oct 2005 12:09 PDT Question ID: 568053 |
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Re: How do I value/sell my share of a partnership?
From: daniel2d-ga on 14 Sep 2005 19:51 PDT |
The investment is only worth what a willing buyer will pay for it. In this instance they are making an investment that pays $7,200 a year in interest. Plus they would have to factor in the risk they are taking and the value of the property in the partnership. At $50,000 the return is slightly less than 15%. At $72,000 the return is 10%. I would imagine that any investor would want at least a 10-15% return, if not 20%. (at 20% the value would be less than $40,000) If you own 1% of a $100,000,000 fund your value is $1,000,000. A $7,200 return amounts to less than 1% on the 1,000,000. Bottom line is get an accountant that specializes in this type of partnership to estimate a value for you. |
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Re: How do I value/sell my share of a partnership?
From: ernie48-ga on 14 Sep 2005 20:51 PDT |
Saying that the investment is only worth what an investor will pay is self-evident and no answer at all. Telling me to get an accountant who specializes in "this type of partnership" is like saying "see a doctor." I hope you are not expecting to get paided for unhelpful generalities. |
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Re: How do I value/sell my share of a partnership?
From: myoarin-ga on 15 Sep 2005 03:41 PDT |
Ernie, None of the postings in the comment section are an "answer", which can only be posted by a GA-Researcher. Their user names appear in blue, underlined. You speak of a partnership but also mention shares. To you know what the partnership agreement or the bylaws of the company says about disposing of equity interests? The Uniform Commercial Code also deals with this subject. Apparently the partnership primarily owns and rents property. Where does the $100 million figure come from: the balance sheet? If so, this represents historical purchase prices less depreciation. If the value of properties owned as increased - a significant possibility - the partnership's assets could be much greater, very much greater if the properties have been held for several or even many years. If you know the properties, it is possible to find out what similar properties have recently. It is not unusual for minor partners to be left in the dark about the potential market value of a closely held company, and also for distributions to be kept low to suggest to them that their interest is not of much value. I expect that company also has some debt to finance all that property, so you probably do not have a 1% interest in $100 million, but the liquidation value of the property could potentially make your small interest worth much more than a multiple of the annual distribution. But you are probably not in a position to have any influence on the operations, i.e., to call for higher distributions or sale of property, and nor would anyone buying your interest. However, the partnership agreement or bylaws in conjunction with the Uniform Commercial Code MAY define a more equitable settlement. In my opinion (and I have been down that road), Daniel is right, only an accountant can help you understand what your interest is worth, and only a lawyer with experience* in closely held partnerships and companies can tell you what possibilities you have to get the maximum value. If there are other small shareholders, they may be interested cooperating with you on this. *And that is definitely not all of them, though many will say that they will be pleased to research the matter for you. I wish you luck, Myoarin |
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Re: How do I value/sell my share of a partnership?
From: frde-ga on 16 Sep 2005 06:20 PDT |
Something does not add up here. In the UK one generally expects a 10% gross return on rental - about 8% nett 1% of $100m should generate about $80,000 - not $7,200 - even halving those figures don't add up MyOarIn astutely pointed out that the property might be leveraged, in which case your 'income shortfall' could well be paying the interest and most likely paying back the capital - in which case the annual income bears little relation to the true value of your shareholding. Any purchaser of your 1% would want to run their eyes over a detailed list of the assets, liabilities and operating expenses of the enterprize - I would be particularly interested in the operating expenses - but I have a suspicious mind |
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Re: How do I value/sell my share of a partnership?
From: frde-ga on 17 Sep 2005 02:02 PDT |
@Ernie48 If the overall fund is worth $10m then 1% of it is worth $100,000 - so the general partner did give a straight answer 5 years ago From the UK rental market one would expect to get $10,000 pa gross - so $7,200 nett as a distribution is not that unreasonable The 7 year multiplier does not sound right to me, or rather it sounds like a low ball price. My suspicion is that the best purchaser would be someone already in the fund, or possibly the fund itself - I'm not sure about the legal aspects of share buybacks in your jurisdiction. In short, if the nett assets are currently worth $10m (liquidation value), then your share is worth at tops $100,000 - probably really $75,000 is a reasonable target. One thing to consider is that you would be hard pressed to get a yield of 10% with the prospect of capital gain. I'm relieved that my suspicions have been to some extent put at rest. |
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Re: How do I value/sell my share of a partnership?
From: myoarin-ga on 17 Sep 2005 03:30 PDT |
Ernie, Your typo is actually a little reassuring, making the other figures sound more realistic and friendly. Your perception of the situation agrees entirely with mine (no expert, but in a similar position), also in that limited partners have no call on financial information. There is a possibility that this must be registered somewhere, somewhere you could gain access to it. Perhaps if you post a new question asking if and how it is able to find financial data on an LLC (or whatever form the company has) and tell in what state and county it is registered, a researcher will be able to help you. I will be so bold as to says: there is no market for your shares outside the group of other partners; who would want to buy into that situation? The fatalistic attitude: Don't look a gifthorse in the mouth. This is not much help, perhaps just consolation that you do understand the situation correctly. Good luck, Myoarin. |
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