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Subject: Probate Courts in Florida handling estates
Category: Relationships and Society > Law
Asked by: john316-ga
List Price: $150.00
Posted: 21 Aug 2002 10:39 PDT
Expires: 06 Sep 2002 15:15 PDT
Question ID: 57008
I am looking for the probate court in Florida, that is handling the
estate for Lucy Hoffman, or Lusie Gindele Hoffman, deceased.  Her
maiden name was Lucy Gindele.  I would like to know the file number
and the name and address of the court and contact info.

Request for Question Clarification by journalist-ga on 21 Aug 2002 10:44 PDT
Do you know the general area in Florida where she lived?  That would
be of great assistance to a researcher to know which areas to search.

Clarification of Question by john316-ga on 21 Aug 2002 11:04 PDT
No idea where in Florida, sorry.

Request for Question Clarification by ozguru-ga on 21 Aug 2002 15:24 PDT
Dear John316,

Using the statewide searchng facility I have come up with three
possibilities, unfortunately no direct matches:

Hoffman Lucille B 03/27/2002 death certificate Pinellas county
Hoffman Lulu A 05/17/2002 death certificate Sarasota county
Hoffman Rosemarie Lucie 10/24/2001 death certificate Pinellas county

The most likely to me appears to be the third one, however you would
need to confirm the date and the possibility of using her second name.

The records are available through this site for a smallish fee approx
$5.

Many other probate searches also were found, but it seemed that they
were too old, if you were interested in a current case.

Please let me know if you have any further information that may help.

Statewide search
https://www.myfloridacounty.com/serv/MyFloridaCounty/ORI/Order?thisPage=MyFloridaCounty.ORI.Order.state.Start

Search strategy: 
hoffman lu death certificate or probate
hoffman death certificate
https://www.myfloridacounty.com/serv/MyFloridaCounty/ORI/Order?thisSession=
_____________________________________
I also searched a number of individual county sites, but thought I
should ask for clarification before continuing… there are a lot of
counties J

Leon County
http://cvweb.clerk.leon.fl.us/

Hillsborough County
http://publicrecord.hillsclerk.com/pls/oridev/off_rec_pack.ps

Lee County
http://www.leeclerk.org/wb_or1/or_sch_1.asp

Collier County, interesting interface to their application
http://www.clerk.collier.fl.us/clerkspublicac/session/Public_Records_IE.html

Citrus County
http://www.clerk.citrus.fl.us/hart_wwwroot/

Sarasota County
http://www.clerk.co.sarasota.fl.us/srqapp/probqry2.asp?rb_searchby=Name&cb_continue=Continue

Pinellas require a $60 fee for searching
http://pubtitlet.co.pinellas.fl.us/index.html

Search strategy:
Countyname  "county court" search records

Regards,

Clarification of Question by john316-ga on 21 Aug 2002 20:22 PDT
Dear Oz Guru: I will get in touch with the relatives in Hungary and
try to find out more information.  I have no idea where she has died.

Request for Question Clarification by ozguru-ga on 21 Aug 2002 21:35 PDT
Dear john316,

Thanks for this, if you are certain the records are in Florida, I
believe with a little more information we can find the correct record
out of a number of possibilities.

I'm sure that the month or even year of death would help us identify
the one you are looking for.

Other possible names for the second initial would also be extremely
valuable.

I will check back every couple of days.

Regards,

Clarification of Question by john316-ga on 21 Aug 2002 23:26 PDT
Dear Oz Guru: I'll see what information comes from Hungary.  I've
increased the fee by $50 to cover the cheaper search fees.  Will be
back from holidays on Sep 2 but will try to check in before. Lucy(?)
Hoffman was born in Budapest Hungary on January 4, 1913 as Lucy
Gindele. She left Hungary in 1948 with her than husband Laszlo
(Leslie) Csuppay who died on May 6th 1994 in Florida.  Lucy divorced
Csuppay and married Sandor (Alexander) Hoffman who was born April 19,
1899 and died April 19, 1992 in Miami.  Lucy's father's name Jeno
(Eugene) Gindele. Hope that this is helpful. If more info becomes
available I will post it.

Request for Question Clarification by ozguru-ga on 22 Aug 2002 03:11 PDT
Dear john316,

Just for your info... I have searched a few more counties around Miami
for Alex* and Lu*, with nothing conclusive.

In all I now have about 15 possibilites, depending upon dates and
initials of other names.

The most recent one is:

Hoffman Lucia G 06/07/2002 death certificate Dade County

(dates for death certificates sometimes seem to lag other probate
paper work by a few months)

I hope your relatives can help :-)

Bye for now,

Regards,

Clarification of Question by john316-ga on 22 Aug 2002 07:28 PDT
The Birthdate of Lucy is certain: January 4, 1913.  We know the third
husband's name Sandor Hoffman (Sandor is the Hungarian of Alexander.)
We know that this, the third and last husband died on April 19, 1992
in Miami and was born on April 19, 1899 in Hungary.  If you can locate
Sandor Hoffman's deat records, that should show his wife's correct
name, address, etc.  No other information is available from my
relatives but they are trying to get some.

Clarification of Question by john316-ga on 26 Aug 2002 12:53 PDT
I am satisfied with the answer and agree to payment.  How you do this
with Google is a challange for you.  I am on holidays this weeks and
can access the internet only sporadically.  Thanks for the good work. 
Too bad that they do not accept on line payments in Florida.
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Comments  
Subject: Re: Probate Courts in Florida handling estates
From: 4keith-ga on 22 Aug 2002 11:00 PDT
 
THURSDAY, AUG. 22, 2002

DEAR JOHN316:

Your clarification provided essential clues (about the previous
husband, Mr. Csuppay, and Mrs. Hoffman's birthdate) that helped to
solve this case!!

Apparently whoever furnished you the search information may have been
unclear about the spelling or pronunciation of the first name.

There is a LUCIA G. HOFFMAN, BORN JAN 4, 1913 (the exact birthdate you
mentioned) who died JANUARY 6, 2002 in Fort Lauderdale, FL 33308 which
is in BROWARD COUNTY, FLORIDA--her SSN 116-38-5596.

An attorney or some other interested party has filed papers at the
courthouse to administer her estate, and the filing was done on May
30, 2002.  To get information about her estate, call the courthouse
and ask them how many pages are in the probate file and the copy fee
is $1.00 per page and you will need to mail them a money order to get
copies of the file. If I were you I would order a copy of the entire
file so you can get a complete view of how the estate was handled,
financial and other information is in there.

     CIVIL COURT                   Phone (305) 275-1155 (9 AM - 4 PM)
     DADE COUNTY COURTHOUSE
     73 W. FLAGLER ST, SUITE 135
     MIAMI, FL 33130

RE:  LUCIA G. HOFFMAN     CASE NUMBER 2002-2368-CP-02
LOCAL CASE NUMBER INFORMATION WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE NEEDED:
13-2002-CP-002368-0000-02

There was also a mention of a case number for LESLIE L. CSUPPAY,
1993-1158-GD-02, who I assume is the name that Laszlo was going by,
where it appears he had to apply for official guardianship of Lucia.

You can get information about both of these cases (previously
mentioned) from the Civil Court Office.

I tried to post this information as an answer, but I don't understand
why the system will not let answers be posted by other members--it
seems like only the Google researchers can get that direct access to
give answers.  How will I be able to be paid for the accurate
information I provided if I can't enter it as an answer?

Anyway, I'm glad that you were smart enough to use GOOGLE ANSWERS to
find a solution to your problem. The researchers here are super
intelligent and have such a wide range of knowledge.  You can find the
answer to almost anything in the world, here!!

If you need further genealogical help in getting information about
Lucia or her family, go to the website www.peoplesearch.com and post a
search message that mentions her name and the public can assist you.

Good luck to you in your quest for information, and I'm sure you will
find what you needed from the very helpful people at the courthouse.

SINCERELY,
4keith-ga
Subject: Re: Probate Courts in Florida handling estates
From: blader-ga on 22 Aug 2002 20:09 PDT
 
4keith:

The Google Answers FAQ is here:
https://answers.google.com/answers/faq.html

Best Regards,
blader-ga
Subject: Re: Probate Courts in Florida handling estates
From: 4keith-ga on 23 Aug 2002 10:49 PDT
 
8-23-2002

DEAR JOHN316:

The Clerk of Circuit Court informs me that there are 9 pages in Lucia
G. Hoffman's estate file #02-2368, so at $1.00 per page, you would
need to send them a check or money order for $9.00, made payable to
CLERK OF CIRCUIT COURT, and mailed to the same address listed above,
but using Room 238 Probate instead of Suite 135, with the same zip
code 33130-1711.  They ask that you enclose a large, self-addressed
stamped envelope for the reply.  If you live in the US, you can ask
the Post Office to weigh an envelope that contains 10 pages to get an
estimate of what the postage cost would be.  Since it's hard to fit 9
pages in a regular long white envelope, maybe it would be better to
send a manila envelope or a priority mail envelope (provided by the US
POST OFFICE).

SINCERELY,
4keith-ga

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