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Dumb question about the fundamental makeup of matter
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: tomster1957-ga List Price: $25.00 |
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21 Sep 2005 16:16 PDT
Expires: 21 Oct 2005 16:16 PDT Question ID: 570696 |
Ok, I'm not very smart...but I'm curious. I saw a televison show last night where is was stated that matter is not made up of particles at all, but of strings and wavelengths....all matter is connected. Also, 11 dimensional Universe? (part of "M" theory??) It also spoke about particle theory and that particles exist in parallel universes (an idea I can't grasp). In plain english, what the current popular theory of physical matter? Can you explain it in simple terms? Thanks in advance. T |
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Re: Dumb question about the fundamental makeup of matter
Answered By: hedgie-ga on 23 Sep 2005 02:28 PDT Rated: |
The winning concept which emerged from the 20 century discoveries is the concept of scale. Physics was successful to REDUCE complex phenomena to more simple ones, molecules to atoms, neutron to quarks, ... and this process continues, and popular TV series and book talk mostly about such fontiers. However, there are limits to this trend, to REDUCTIONISM (search term) Here is a simple visual tours, which explains the concept of scale: http://www.wordwizz.com/pwrsof10.htm There are several sites like that, and worth of looking at. http://www.vendian.org/envelope/dir0/scales.html So, what are the theories of matter ? Today's material scientist does not care about strings, branes, and 11d. Depending on material (gas, liquid, solid) is sees as material as made from molecules (or in case of crystals) from atoms, and 'goes up in scale' using tools of discipline called 'statistical physics' or statistical rheology. described here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheology http://dmoz.org/Science/Physics/Rheology/ You will find nothing there about quarks, or strings or branes. Not that material scientists would deny their existence. Those are studies on a different scale. Poetically you could say 'they are in a different universe' That does not mean that there was no progress, no change in material science lately. We understand the important meso scales (scales between micro and macro) much better. Whole field of SEARCH TERM: nanotechnology emerged, dealing with scales of size over 100 nm to about 1e-6 m (1 micron) (if you looked on the first two links, you do understand these symbols) All developements in physics progress in parallel, on many scales, and popular science editors and writers would do a better job if they whould cover the whole range, rather then focus on the gee-whiz science of the 'latest discovery'. So to summarize it simply: matter is made of molecules (range in size from macroscopic to atom) molecules are made of atoms. There is no argument about that. Whan you ask what are the atoms and their parts made of, you get many theories, some with 11 dimensions, and all mostly irrelevant to practical business of applied science. Hedgie |
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Been on holiday. Thanks everyone!! I did buy the book by Bill Bryson but left it on a hotel nightstand!! I'll go re-purchase. T |
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Re: Dumb question about the fundamental makeup of matter
From: srikanthvbandi-ga on 22 Sep 2005 08:10 PDT |
Fundamental particle of matter is atom with out any doubt.Atom is having both particle and wave nature. Atom is made of protons(+)electron(-)neutron(0).Nucleus is made up of proton and neutron around which electrons are revolving with high velocities in the order of 300000KM/sec.Also atoms collide with each other continously.In this process there is continuous exchange of energy.So atom seems to be like a wave rather than particle in spectra which is the only way of studying atom for scientists |
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Re: Dumb question about the fundamental makeup of matter
From: qed100-ga on 22 Sep 2005 11:18 PDT |
What you're refering to is called "string" theory. It doesn't precisely say that matter isn't a menu of particles. These particles are known by experiment to exist. The problem nowadays is by what principle the various classes of particle come to have their specific characteristics, expecially their measured masses. The proposition is that these properties correspond to vibrational modes. A string having mode m1 may be an electron. Mode m2 could be a photon. And so on. The only difference between any two species of particle is its vibration mode as a string. As for parallel universes, it's not really so much that they are "parallel". It's more that there are, as you say, a number of extra space dimensions. To illustrate, I'll explain. Let's say you've a "space" with only a single dimension. It's just a straight line that extends indefinitely both to the left & the right. (Or, if you'd rather, to the up & the down. Or whatever.) This is a 1-space, a single axis which I'll call "x". A space with two dimensions would be a flat plane. It has two dimensions, x & y, and is a 2-space. One axis extends left/right, the other up/down. The two are at right angles to each other. You can think of it as being one axis being dragged at a right angle to itself, tracing out a surface. If you then drag the plane x,y through a direction which is at a right angle to both x & y, then it traces out a 3rd dimension, is a 3-space, with axes x,y,z. Now, if we play with this whole principle of an n-space being dragged through a higher dimension which is at right angles to all of the n-axes, making an (n+1)-space, then we can speculate about the hypothetical consequences of real, physical space having more than just the 3-axes with which we're usually familiar. (length, width, height) The x,y,z dimensions of the world in which we find ourselves are visually tangible. But our brains aren't equipped to easily visualise more than three axes, so we can only explore them with abstract math, representing dimensions with algebraic symbols, and generalising how higher dimensions relate to one another from what we know of lower n-spaces. Anyway, if there are extra dimensions, axes, present in our universe, it's proposed within string theory that some closed strings may be partially extended out of 3-space into 4-space, so that only part of its energy is available in 3-space to interact with other strings (particles) also in 3-space. This is proposed mainly to address the differences in the relative strengths of the known interactions, i.e., "forces". For example, gravity is measured to be only about 1/10^42 as strong, per pound of mass, as the electrostatic force. So string theory proposes that various vibration modes are conducive to various partial immersions of the strings in higher dimensions, isolating portions of their interactive potentials from each other. It's a very interesting theory, but also highly speculative and controversial. It's seen by many who can follow the eleborate mathematics as being *too* perfect in its task. By this I mean that it's been constructed so as to address all known empirical data (which of course it should), but that it seems to reproduce *only* the extant data, yet cannot be tested directly because the mathematics persist in being "intractible", i.e., unsolvable for specific circumstances. |
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Re: Dumb question about the fundamental makeup of matter
From: physdoc-ga on 23 Sep 2005 14:28 PDT |
The official answer is missing the point. Here is a physically sound version. I would like to dissect the question into three parts: (1) What are the fundamental constituents of matter - particles or strings? (2) Are there more dimensions? (3) Are there parallel Universes? Here are very brief answers to get you started: (1) According to the "Standard Model" of particle physics the most fundamental particles are leptons (e.g. electrons) and quarks (which make up protons and neutrons). Protons, neutrons and electrons are the constituents of atoms which are the building blocks of ordinary matter. There is lots of observational evidence for the existence of these particles. (Super-)String theory (or M theory) attempts to go further and explain the existence and different properties of these fundamental particles as manifestations of a single entity, the superstring. The idea is that different vibrational states of the superstring correspond to different particles. In contrast to the Standard Model, there is no direct evidence in support of String Theory. (2) One of the features of String Theory is that there should be more spatial dimensions than the three we know of - in fact, there should be 10 dimensions if superstring theory is correct. The extra space dimensions are supposed to be wrapped up in tiny regions, which is why we cannot observe them. Again, there is no observational evidence for these extra dimensions at present. (3) The idea of parallel universes has cropped up in physics in a number of ways. However, the idea is more speculative then even string theory and extra dimensions. I think it is more a way of interpreting physical theory than being a physical theory itself. This has to do with the fact that the physical theory in question cannot give a unique outcome, i.e. that different possible states of the Universe are consistent with the theory. Examples include (i) the "many worlds" interpretation of quantum theory (ii) the fact that string theory cannot really pick a unique set of "fundamental constants" for the Universe. Hence, the fact that these theories are ultimately unable to give an answer to the question "why is the Universe *precisely* the way it is" prompts some people to suggest that there ought to be other Universes with different properties that are also consistent with the laws of physics (or even with different laws of physics)! Here is a link to a website that you may find interesting - it in turn contains many relevant links: http://www.nuclecu.unam.mx/~alberto/physics/string.html Happy reading! |
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Re: Dumb question about the fundamental makeup of matter
From: summer95-ga on 10 Oct 2005 17:06 PDT |
You might enjoy Bill Bryson's book "A Short History of Nearly Everything". It's written in a language that you will easily understand and covers most, perhaps all, of the questions you asked and much more. |
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Re: Dumb question about the fundamental makeup of matter
From: insolent-ga on 21 Oct 2005 13:38 PDT |
'What is mind, no matter. What is matter, nevermind." Homer Simpson. |
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