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Subject: How clinical drug trials work
Category: Health > Medicine
Asked by: minisophiesteve-ga
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Posted: 25 Sep 2005 12:45 PDT
Expires: 25 Oct 2005 12:45 PDT
Question ID: 572450
I am writing a novel in which a character goes into a residential
clinical drug trial for a Parkinson?s - like neurodegenerative disease.
My question is: Do residential drug trials exist? (Not including
groups that are already in residence together, like nursing home or
drug rehab.) If so, are the patients gathered in one research facility
or do they live in various hospital/convalescence homes etc. that can
administer the drug being tested? Are they common or uncommon?

Request for Question Clarification by tutuzdad-ga on 25 Sep 2005 13:46 PDT
Inpatient clinical trials seems to be almost exclusively limited to
existing patient populations like those where people with problems
such as mental disorders and respiratory maladies are already
congregated. I found no residential studies for those with Parkinsons,
presumably because Parkinson's is not a disease where patients are
typically found residing in clinical settings in great numbers - at
least not early on. Until they are chronic early stage patients
generally live at home. I did manage to find one study which requires
early stage patients to submit to a 5-week trial during which there
are limited inpatient stays. Would something like this work for you?
If so, what exactly do you need to know?

National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/funding/nindsnotes/102002/nindsnotes102002vol3.htm


tutuzdad-ga

Clarification of Question by minisophiesteve-ga on 27 Sep 2005 15:23 PDT
Thank you, tutuzdad-ga, for such a specific clarification request, it
actually pretty much answers my question, but I would not feel right
taking the info without paying you. So, yes, I would like to hear
about the 5-week inpatient trial you referenced. And while my novel is
not bound to be totally faithful to real life pharmaceutical
practices, I am wondering if you could perhaps suggest a scenario
(even a fictional stretch!) where a four month inpatient trial might
occur, and/or explain to me why such trials do not occur: is it the
sheer cost of housing patients? Patient unwillingness? Simply
unnecessary?

I'd like to add that I will have many more questions about drug trials
and would like to find someone to whom I can ask them. The book will
not come out for a year and change, but any help I get on this front
(as I know nothing about the field!) will certainly end up on the
acknowledgements page. I have several more questions which I will pose
here but not expect answers to. That is, if you think you would like
to answer them, read on if you like, let me know if you'd like to
answer any of them and I will post them for $ specifically to you.

1.I'd like a layman?s break down of the phases of drug testing. I have
my character in phase 4 because I want the drug to go to market soon,
for plot purposes. I wonder what the shortest amount of time can
elapse from a phase 4 trial to market release.

2 In the novel, the son of the women who is in the drug trial buys
stock in the company producing the drug based on her dramatic
improvement. But soon after she and many of the other trial members
experience prohibitively horrid side effects ? stroke, heart attack,
etc. He dumps the stock and is soon being investigated. (If you can?t
tell already, some of this is informed/inspired by the trouble Vioxx
et all have been having, and the Martha imclone scandal.) I am
wondering on this front a) what legally constitutes insider info when
in comes to pharmaceutical trading, and b) what the time frame is for
drug info being released to the stock market community. Again I would
treat all of these as separate questions for you. Thank you! Sophie
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Subject: Re: How clinical drug trials work
Answered By: tutuzdad-ga on 27 Sep 2005 18:20 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear minisophiesteve-ga;

Thank you for allowing me an opportunity to answer your interesting
question. First off, your ?Phase Four? scenario might not work
depending on how realistic you?d like the story to be. You see, the
term ?Phase? is already a categorization used in Clinical Studies, and
while UI understand what you mean by it (late stage of a clinical
trial) you will not be able to use that particular term to describe
it. Here?s why (I will address your ?phase 4? question now because it
stuck out as the most obvious faux pas):

 ?Most clinical trials are designated as phase I, II, or III, based on
the type of questions that study is seeking to answer:

In Phase I clinical trials, researchers test a new drug or treatment
in a small group of people (20-80) for the first time to evaluate its
safety, determine a safe dosage range, and identify side effects.

In Phase II clinical trials, the study drug or treatment is given to a
larger group of people (100-300) to see if it is effective and to
further evaluate its safety.

In Phase III studies, the study drug or treatment is given to large
groups of people (1,000-3,000) to confirm its effectiveness, monitor
side effects, compare it to commonly used treatments, and collect
information that will allow the drug or treatment to be used safely.

These phases are defined by the Food and Drug Administration in the
Code of Federal Regulations.?

ClinicalTrials.gov
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct/info/phase

So you see, the term PHASE already describes a very important TYPE of
trial as opposed to the layman?s term ?phase? which describes a STAGE
of a trial; and the latter terminology is almost never used in a
clinical trial.


Ok, let?s talk trials and what they are about:

If you go to this link you will find a number of depression studies
that are recruiting participants. What initially got my attention was
that one of them ironically involves pramipexole ? an FDA approved for
Parkinson's disease. On the right column near each study you will find
a link that says ?Detailed Protocol Description?. This will provide
the details of each study, the goals and objectives, and what is
typically required/expected of study participants.

NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF MENTAL HEALTH
http://patientinfo.nimh.nih.gov/DepressionAdult.aspx

The pramipexole study I mentioned above, for example, is a 9-week, two
phase study. In a nutshell, Phase one goes thusly:

?During the study, participants come to the clinic eight times for
health assessments and symptoms assessments, which include a check of
vital signs and rating scales for depression and anxiety, adverse
events, and sexual functioning. Blood and urine samples are collected
periodically to monitor health, detect pregnancy in women, and detect
illicit drug use. At the end of the 6-week treatment period,
participants have a physical examination, ECG, blood test, and check
of vital signs. Short-term anti-depressant treatment is offered, and
plans are made for long-term treatment.?
DEPRESSION (ADULT) RESEARCH STUDY  
PRAMIPEXOLE AND ESCITALOPRAM TO TREAT MAJOR DEPRESSIVE DISORDER
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct/show/NCT00086307?order=1

Believe it or not, I have since found another that actually involves
Parkinson?s patients, but it is an outpatient study requiring 15 (or
so) hours over 4 or 5 outpatient visits. Here though is where you can
take literary license.

The study requires PET scans and MRI?s of participants while they are
off their medications. These are time consuming procedures and I can
see where you, for the purposes of your book, might easily make these
visits 2 or 3 day inpatient stays, especially, say, if you were to
also work in sleep studies, such as apnea, dream disturbances, EEG?s,
insomnia and so forth that requires patients to sleep in the monitored
clinical setting over night several times throughout. See what I mean?
In my opinion you could pull this off and make it so believable that I
think even a clinician would have a difficult time saying for sure
that such a study never occurred.

PARKINSONS DISEASE RESEARCH STUDY  
COGNITIVE FUNCTION IN PARKINSON'S DISEASE: RELATIONSHIP TO CORTICAL
DOPAMINE SYNTHESIS AND DOPAMINE D1 RECEPTORS
http://patientinfo.nimh.nih.gov/ParkinsonDisease.aspx

The scenario? Why not make the sleep issue a major problem with your
patient and have the woman referred to a trial wherein your candidate
drug and sleep studies such as the ones I mentioned are conducted.
This provides the necessity of having your patient ?reside? at the
testing facility. Make the study a couple of weeks or make it many
weeks ? that really doesn?t matter. What will matter is that the
jargon regarding activities, equipment, and lab, etc. commonly found
in a sleep study setting are accurate. It doesn?t matter for the
purposes of the sleep study that the woman in your story has
Parkinson?s, neither would it matter in a Parkinson?s study if the
woman had, say, sleep apnea. The accuracy, I think, will only come
into question if your jargon about the goings on there is wrong. The
truth that we (apparent by our interaction here) don?t know a lot
about clinical trials unless we?ve participated in one ? and few of us
have, as you can see. Unless your target audience is clinicians and
you are worried about pulling off a fictional scenario with them, I
think you can bamboozle the majority of laypeople without much effort.

Why aren?t more residential clinical studies being conducted? Good
question. The National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) at the
National Institutes of Health (NIH) at Bethesda, Maryland is an
enormous research hospital that resembles (sarcasm) a small city.
DRAWING: http://patientinfo.nimh.nih.gov/images/smallcc.gif

While hundreds of studies are conducted there involving thousands of
patients, and hundreds of other studies are going on in other clinics
around the world, the fact of the matter is that this is a drop in the
bucket compared to the millions of people who suffer from studies
ailments. In other words, only a portion of the people who have
researchable illnesses will ever clinically represent the majority. Is
it because of cost? Probably not since pharmaceutical companies are
more than capable of spending the millions of dollar necessary to
completed FDA mandated trials. My guess is that it just isn?t
geographically accessible to most people and the rewards of free
medications and nominal financial compensation are just not large
enough incentives to attract someone to a study. Add to that the
further disruption of their already seriously disrupted lives and also
the ugly possibility that they might receive placebos or unproductive
and/or unsuccessful treatment in exchange for their trouble. If you
measure cost in more than just money, cost may indeed be an issue. For
many unhealthy people (and sadly those with Parkinson?s who are
typically geriatric and nearing end life stage chronologically even
without the disease) perhaps the cost of the gamble is simply not wise
considering the natural odds against them.

I hope you find that my research exceeds your expectations. If you
have any questions about my research please post a clarification
request prior to rating the answer. Otherwise, I welcome your rating
and your final comments.

In closing, I will take your offer to do further research for you. I
welcome your next question and look forward to working with you again
in the near future.


Best regards;
Tutuzdad ? Google Answers Researcher


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So very helpful - what a comprehensive, creative, and thoughtful answer!

Comments  
Subject: Re: How clinical drug trials work
From: philm22373-ga on 08 Nov 2005 07:59 PST
 
I think minisophiesteve-ga had a misunderstanding about what you meant
when you said you wished to use Phase 4 as the phase your patient was
in.  Phase 4 is a post marketing study so the drug already has a
license and is on the market.  you would be better advised to say your
patient was in phase III then the drug would be close to being
marketed.  you also asked why there are not more residential trials, i
dont think cost is an issue, but more likely ethics, all trials must
undergo ethical consideration, here they look at how many extra visits
the patient might make compared to standard treatment.  you then have
to look at the health of the patient and what you are asking them to
do.  why would a patient have to stay in hospital, most
tests/treatments can be done in an outpatient setting.  you need to
look at what happens when the drug gets its license it is unlikely to
be a popular treatment if they have to spend 3 months in hospital and
if it is a Phase III trial they would be using the drug in a marketed
form, all pharmacological tests should be done by this point.  Phase
III is also a way for clinicians to get used to using the drug and i
do not know of any drug that reqiures a patient to be in hospital for
3 months  i hope this helps

Phil

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