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Brand name viamin absorpion comparisons
Category: Health Asked by: jackgrimes-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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21 Aug 2002 22:44 PDT
Expires: 20 Sep 2002 22:44 PDT Question ID: 57265 |
"Biochemistry department of Ohio State University just conducted a study on approximately 350 supplements on human subject...The research indicated an average of a 6 to 7% absorbancy factor for the majority of vitamin/mineral supplements tested. ...Research was done by Dr. Marcus Cobb of the Boston area along with a colleague at Ohio State University." Unable to find any reference to the above study touted by a MLM vitamin firm. Any suggestions? No dates given. |
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Re: Brand name viamin absorpion comparisons
Answered By: tomo-ga on 23 Aug 2002 07:08 PDT Rated: |
Hello, and thanks for your question. Like you, I have been unable to find any reference to that research. I do have some clues for you, however, in case you did not find them yourself. First, there is very little information on "Dr. Marcus Cobb", although I did find a reference to him in a discussion group related to A.D.D.: http://www.netbizplus.com/BB/showthread.php?threadid=263 In that thread, they mention him with a colleague, Joe Clementi. Alas, trying to track down Joe Clementi was not particularly fruitful, as it is a rather common name and without some additional context it is really hard to find "the" person. Going to Ohio State University, there is no mention of that research, but there is also no real way to get a list of all the research done at the university. Nonetheless, if they are quoted in this MLM literature, you should be able to simply call up the university and ask them who did the research and how you might get a copy. You should be able to contact their Office of Research to get you pointed in the right direction: http://research.rf.ohio-state.edu/index.html (614) 292-1582 For what it is worth, here is a link to their Biochemistry Department as well, although this research seems more nutrition-related, so I have included that link too: http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~biochem/ http://www.hec.ohio-state.edu/hn/ By the way, the MLM company wouldn't be Melaleuca (http://www.melaleuca.com/) by any chance, would it? They seem to have some patented process ("fructose compounding") that substantially increases vitamin/mineral absorption. If you are interested, the patent (6,068,846) is here: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=pall&s1='6068846'.WKU.&OS=PN/6068846&RS=PN/6068846 I am sorry I could not provide the actual report for you, but I hope this information helps you. |
jackgrimes-ga
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You were unable to answer the question as stated (for the amount I'm willing to spend) but provided me the resources to do it myself. To Tomo-ga: Godd guess on the Melaleuca seed of my question. I found a co-workers claim for the efficacy of their product to be outragous & want to find the report they based it on. |
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Re: Brand name viamin absorpion comparisons
From: expertlaw-ga on 27 Aug 2002 16:23 PDT |
Inquiry with Shaklee and Melaleuca resulted in the following answer from Shaklee: "There is erroneous printed and electronically disseminated information making the rounds regarding comparative absorption rates of Centrum, Shaklee, and Melaleuca supplements. "While the information we've seen appears to come from Melaleuca, Melaleuca, Inc. denies any knowledge of such a comparison or the supposed clinical tests on which the data is based. Melaleuca has informed us that they are aware of the source of the misinformation and have contacted the person to immediately cease further dissemination of the material. "Ohio State University biochemistry department, which supposedly collaborated with a 'Dr. Marcus Cobb' in performing the tests, also claims no knowledge of the testing, and their biochemistry department also has no knowledge of such a test. "In checking the database of published clinicals, there is no such test data published by a 'Dr. Cobb.'" |
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Re: Brand name viamin absorpion comparisons
From: blarneystone-ga on 14 Jun 2004 20:40 PDT |
The confusion comes from what you are looking for. The origianl research was not sponsored by Ohio State University. It was part of an unpublished Doctoral Thesis completed in 1999. That is why you cannot find it as research having been sponsored by the university. Thesis are almost never published. The sl called "extreme" figures for absorption of Melaleuca Vitality for Life supplements are in fact verified by the patent. Fructose Compounding is a way to bind minerals into the inside of a fruit sugar molecule. Every physician and every diabetic knows that the human body absorbs virtually 100%of all the sugar that goes into the body. Ths patented process provides the only known way for minerals to be absorbed directly nto human cells. No other vitamin and mineral supplements have a patent. Mellaeuca is unique. The absorption percentages in the research for Melaleuca research is correct. As for figures for other brands, it is obvious that you can suck on an oyster shell all day and it isn't going to do you any good. If you want copper, you can suck on a penny with equally bad results. The human body was designed to get ist minerals associated with sugars which is how they come with plants or in the sme form they exist in the human body, which is how they come from animals. The reason the other companies do not have a patent is because their products cannot provide any proof that their supplements actually work nd they would have their patent request refused for complete lack of proof.The patent office provides patents only to products that are unique and that can prove they work. The worst part of your response was that you completely ignored the basic facts of the absorption rates of the nutrients. Knowing that there is a patent on the Fructose Compounding and there ar ezero patents for any other supplement should have - all by itself - told you that the Melaleuca products would obviously be vastly superior. |
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Re: Brand name viamin absorpion comparisons
From: mikebode-ga on 12 Sep 2004 12:42 PDT |
I think, there are several misrepresentations in the comment by blarneystone-ga: 1) I followed the link to the patent (6,068,846), and there is no indication or claim that the process patented would increase the absorption rate. If that is included in a different patent, please provide a link to that patent. 2) The patent claims a certain composition of ingredients to affect the mood of the patient. ALL claims of the patent, as far as I could see, deal with the composition, none with their absorption efficiency. The patent office will only verify the written claims as far as possible. Therefore, the patent proves nothing about the absorption rates. 3) The reason that other companies don't have the patent is that they did not think about the way to process the ingredients, NOT because they can't prove any absorption rates. Again, as far as I could see, the absorption rates are NOT part of the patent. To stick with your own words: You could probably get a patent for embedding vitamins in an oyster shell to sell that as a supplement delivery vehicle. But as you said yourself, this would not result in an absorption rate any higher than the rate through another delivery method. Finally: I have no interest (financial or otherwise) in any of the mentioned companies. Is that also the case for the other commenters? |
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Re: Brand name viamin absorpion comparisons
From: mrsraspberry-ga on 15 Sep 2004 11:52 PDT |
It would help if you looked at the proper patent #4705875. By reading the lengthly patent you will see that it is about absorption. No percentages are given comparing brands of vitamins; however it can be stated truthfully that the process is patented with the express purpose of aiding absorption. I too was looking for hard evidence of the Ohio study as I do not want to pass on erroneous information that i have not verified myself. For me the patent alone is evidence enough to support the claim that fructose compounding is designed to make minerals more available to your cells. As far as the research in question it appears to be a study that was done but has not been published and reviewed by the scientific community. MrsRaspberry |
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Re: Brand name viamin absorpion comparisons
From: jmarino-ga on 21 Jan 2005 22:59 PST |
PATENT LINK: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4705875.WKU.&OS=PN/4705875&RS=PN/4705875 |
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