Where exactly did Camus say, "If there is a sin against life, it
consists perhaps not so much in disparaging of life as in hoping for
another life and eluding the implacable grandeur of this life"?  I
need exact location and context so I can find the page numbers.  Thank
you.  Sylvia Karasu, M.D.  Time is of the essence--deadline!

Dear sylk,

This quotation by Albert Camus derives from his essay "L'Eté à Alger"
(= Summer in Algiers), one of four lyrical essays he wrote in the
years 1937-1938 when he lived in Algiers, the other three being "Noces
à Tipasa", "Le Vent à Djemila" and "Le Désert". These four texts made
the book "Noces", which was originally published by Edmond Charlot
(Algiers) on May 23, 1939, in small numbers: Only 225 copies were
printed then. "L'Eté à Alger" is a lyrical description of Algiers and
life there.

The original French version of the quote is:

"Car s'il y a un péché contre la vie, ce n'est peut-être pas tant d'en
désespérer que d'espérer une autre vie, et se dérober à l'implacable
grandeur de celle-ci."

In the extremely rare original first edition of "Noces", this
quotation is located on page 47.


Sources:

Le Monde de Sisyphe: Camus - Oeuvre - Noces, by Pierre "Sisyphe" (in
French)
http://users.skynet.be/sisyphe/noces.asp

Le Monde de Sisyphe: Camus - Analyses - Noces, By Pierry "Sisyphe" (in
French)
http://users.skynet.be/sisyphe/nocesanalyse.asp

Le Monde de Sisyphe, by Pierre "Sisyphe" (in French)
http://users.skynet.be/sisyphe/

Lame Duck Books listing on Bibliopoly, first edition of Camus' "Noces"
http://www.polybiblio.com/lameduck/22038.html

camus.dds.nl: Bibliografie (in Dutch)
http://www.camus.dds.nl/bibliografie.htm

Search strategy:

Knowing that Camus' native tongue was French, I had the words 'sin
against life' translated from English to French by the Google Language
Tools ( ://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en ) and received
'péché contre la vie' as result. Then, I went on by seaching this
short phrase in connection with 'Camus':

"péché contre la vie" camus:
://www.google.de/search?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=%22p%C3%A9ch%C3%A9+contre+la+vie%22+camus&meta=

This provided me a number of sources for further research.

Additional search terms used:

camus "L'Eté à Alger":
://www.google.de/search?q=camus+%22L%27Et%C3%A9+%C3%A0+Alger%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=de&btnG=Google-Suche&meta=

camus "Noces" 1939:
://www.google.de/search?q=camus+%22Noces%22+1939&hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&start=10&sa=N

I hope this is what you were looking for.
Best regards,
Scriptor

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Request for Answer Clarification by sylk-ga on 25 Aug 2002 06:25 PDT

Dear V,
   Thank you for all your work, but this is not good enough.  I know
the Standard Edition of Freud very well--I  own it  well as the
Concordance to Freud.  The quote is not good enough, because it is
Strachey's addition in  the footnotes and it is not Freud's
words--merely in the editor's note. I think you better give up--this
is my field-I am a psychiatrist.  It is interesting that something so
attributed to Freud apparently never appears in his actual words.
Thank you,
Sylvia Karasu, M.D.the

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Request for Answer Clarification by sylk-ga on 25 Aug 2002 06:31 PDT

Dear V,  (second email for this August 25th morning),
     I read over your quote from Freud again--he uses only "love" in
the sentence--which he does throughout the 24 volumes of the Standard
Edition-but apparently never "love and work" in one sentence, whih is
crucial for the answer.the embedded in the to the
    Thanks so much,
Sylvia Karasu, M.D.

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Clarification of Answer by scriptor-ga on 25 Aug 2002 06:41 PDT

Dear Dr. Karasu, dear voila-ga,

Please do not understand this as criticism - but it would be very nice
of you if you could exchange further messages concerning the Freud
quote rather in the "Comments"-section than here at "Requests for
Clarification".

Best regards,
Scriptor

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Request for Answer Clarification by sylk-ga on 25 Aug 2002 06:42 PDT

Dear V, (3rd e-mail for August 25th),
   I just realized you are "scriptor." You are an unbelievable
scholar!  I have been telling all my colleagues about your work. If
you llike, please keep working on the Buber  That may be another
example of something attibuted to a writer, but actually paraphrased
from his work. Unlike Freud and psychoanalysis, it is not my field.
Best,
Sylvia Karasu, M.D.

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Clarification of Answer by scriptor-ga on 25 Aug 2002 07:05 PDT

Dear Dr. Karasu,

I am very sorry I must disspoint you. In fact, me and voila-ga, or
"V", are two different individuals. But I appreciate your enthusiasm
for our work very much and I am sure that voila-ga will feel the same.

Thank you so very much!
Scriptor

Thanks to your scholarly work, I found the exact page I needed in
Summer in Algiers.  The page you gave is different in my translation
edition.  Nevertheless, I couldn't have done it without you!  Best,
Sylvia Karasu, M.D.
P.S.  Please charge me for this service.  I am most pleased.  Thank
you for such prompt attention.

If you have "The Myth of Sisyphus" (and other essays) by Albert Camus,
"Summer in Algiers" and the quote referenced is on page 113.

Dear Dr. Karasu,

I see your Freud quote is closed but this chapter on Melanie Klein
also  mentions your original quote.

"Klein observed, described and explained how this state of existential
conflict has the effect of blocking creative development, and impedes
the capacity for love and work that Freud described as a necessary
condition of mental health."

://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=3&q=http://human-nature.com/free-associations/Nashchap4.htm&e=42

The only "love and work" quote I remember is this one
http://www.thinkexist.com/english/Author/x/Author_862_1.htm

http://fp.uni.edu/diemer/Adjustment%20Chapt%202%20Fall%202002.htm

I know you're in a rush for your information but I'd like to work on
this a bit more this weekend.

Regards,
V

"Toward the end of his life, Freud (1955b)* elevated the importance of
love,   stating, "[In] the last resort, we must begin to love in order
not to fall   ill, and we are bound to fall ill if, in consequence of
frustration, we are unable to love" (p. 95). His famous dyad of love
and work as the requisite for mental health is widely quoted."

Freud, S. *(1955b). On narcissism: An introduction. In J. Strachey
(Ed. and Trans.), The standard edition of the complete psychological
works of Sigmund Freud (Vol. 14, pp. 67-103). London: Hogarth.
(Original work  published in  1914)

http://www.ustanova-iboga.si/html/love.html

Hope this is helpful.  Still checking on your Buber quote.
V

Hi Dr. K and Scriptor,

So sorry, Scriptor, to clutter up your comment section here but once a
question is expired, we're supposed to be able to add comments still. 
That wasn't the case on Dr. K's Freud quote.  It really makes for
untidyness if you'd like to post a comment after the fact.  I know
you're getting all those "red flagged" messages from GA.  ;-(

Yes, Dr. K, Scriptor and I are colleagues but we tend to like the same
kind of questions.  Since that quote of Freud's had been misattibuted
to him so often, I wanted to find what he actually *did* say about the
ingredients for mental health.  I wasn't clear if you needed the
nearest quote to it or if you were ruling out that Freud connected
love+work=mental health in an actual quotation.  My apologies.

Please, no criticism taken.  We just want to explore every possibility
for our customers here at Google Answers and this Freud quote had been
gnawing at my brain all week.

My hunch on the Buber quote is that it's from "Eclipse of God," but I
have no basis in fact.  If I don't find it today, I'll consider my
timeline expired.

Best regards,
V