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Phrases
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: anonymous11-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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08 Oct 2005 10:01 PDT
Expires: 07 Nov 2005 09:01 PST Question ID: 577908 |
I think there's a phrase that goes "as american as apple pie and motherhood." Do you know who said this first? |
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Re: Phrases
From: crabcakes-ga on 08 Oct 2005 10:43 PDT |
I've found no "official" source of the quotation, but did find these interesting tidbits: "AS AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE - "America in So Many Words: Words that have Shaped America" by Allen Metcalf & David K. Barnhart" (Houghton Mifflin Co., Boston, 1997) has a section on the subject --"1697 apple pie." "Samuel Sewall, distinguished alumnus (1696) of Harvard College and citizen of Boston, went on a picnic expedition to Hog Island on October 1, 1697. There he dined on apple pie. He wrote in his diary, 'Had first Butter, Honey, Curds and cream. For Dinner, very good Rost Lamb, Turkey, Fowls, Applepy.' This is the first, but hardly the last, American mention of a dish whose patriotic symbolism is expressed in a 1984 book by Susan Purdy, 'As Easy as Pie': 'This is IT - what our country and flag are as American as." http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/5/messages/1406.html "Proud as I am of my American heritage and fond as I am of apple pie, I just cannot stomach the expression as American as apple pie. Almost every temperate country in the world grows apples and eats apple pie, so just how American can this pie be? Does as American as apple pie imply that apple pie was invented by Americans? No, but apple pie is really common in the United States and Americans really enjoy it. Well, a recent survey revealed that the most popular food in England is chicken curry so, by these criteria, we could say as English as chicken curry." http://www.takeourword.com/Issue081.html "Joe Franklin stunned his family at a Memorial Day picnic when he announced that while he loves his mother and apple pie, he hates baseball. ?I?m completely shocked,? Joe?s uncle, Lenny, said. ?To announce that you hate baseball ? that?s just so un-American. And to do it on Memorial Day, no less.? Joe said that he still considers himself a good American citizen. ?I still love my mother and apple pie,? he said. ?I?ve just come to realize that baseball is awful.? http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume1/05292002-baseball.html "American as apple pie." http://www.gardendigest.com/cliche.htm "As American as apple pie and motherhood by Don Nash, Aug. 7, 2004" http://www.unknownnews.net/040814d.html#dn7 Regards, Crabcakes |
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Re: Phrases
From: tlspiegel-ga on 08 Oct 2005 11:16 PDT |
"As American as apple pie" is a common saying in the United States. However, the expression (its full form being "As American as motherhood and apple pie") is clearly metaphorical, rather than literally trying to claim origin, since both motherhood and apple pie predate the United States. It expresses the feeling that the concept "America" is not just geographical, but instead ? along with motherhood and apple pie ? is something wholesome. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_pie |
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Re: Phrases
From: myoarin-ga on 08 Oct 2005 16:57 PDT |
I think a search of the congressional and senate records would find many citations and at least lead to a first mention in the middle of the last century. |
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Re: Phrases
From: efn-ga on 09 Oct 2005 20:38 PDT |
I ran some Google searches and looked at the numbers of results returned. "american as apple pie" 159,000 "motherhood and apple pie" 61,500 "apple pie and motherhood" 888 "american as motherhood" 497 "american as motherhood and apple pie" 404 "american as apple pie and motherhood" 82 "american as motherhood" -"apple pie" 76 Note that the phrases that connect America to apple pie and motherhood to apple pie are much commoner than the phrases that combine all three. Without any evidence other than this, I believe that apple pie was first linked to America by itself, without motherhood, as in the well-established phrase "American as apple pie." Independently, motherhood and apple pie were linked as values no American politician would ever oppose, not necessarily because they were particularly American. Some time after these two links were established, motherhood migrated across the common apple pie to join it in being linked to America. Since there is nothing particularly American about motherhood, this may originally have been a joke. With these numbers, I find it hard to believe the claim from someone on Wikipedia that "American as apple pie" is a shortened form of "American as motherhood and apple pie," and in fact, this assertion is questioned on the article's Talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Apple_pie |
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Re: Phrases
From: mwalcoff-ga on 10 Oct 2005 09:16 PDT |
The first use of the phrase "as American as apple pie" in the NY Times archives is from a 1938 article about lynching. I didn't find any hits for "as American as motherhood" or "as American as apple pie and motherhood." |
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