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Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: publiclibrarygal-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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09 Oct 2005 15:29 PDT
Expires: 11 Oct 2005 16:09 PDT Question ID: 578276 |
Why are people wasting their money on this service when they could simply email/call their local public library for free? PEOPLE! Your tax dollars are paying reference librarians/libraries to HELP YOU, so USE them! Have you ever looked around a ready reference section or talked to a librarian- they will try their hardest to get you the information you need and if they cannot, they will direct where to go FOR FREE! No need for a credit card number! FREE!!!!! To get my point across, I'll waste my own damned money. | |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: scriptor-ga on 09 Oct 2005 15:43 PDT |
Hear, hear! Well, all right. So go ahead and ask your local librarian to do genealogical research on the 16th century origins of your family. While your at it, also ask him to translate a section from a German architecture essay. And finally, ask him to find you an obscure ginger beer from the Bermudas. If your local librarian does all that - without using the wicked Internet and its henchman Google Answers - the tax dollars that pay him are indeed well spent. Regards, Scriptor |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: czh-ga on 09 Oct 2005 16:13 PDT |
I love my public library. I'm continually amazed that they have the new books on hand by the time I see the review in my Sunday paper. I love that I can search the catalog online from home. I love the growing DVD collection they make available. I'm excited that I can access more and more databases online using my library card. I love my library's continuous book sale that recycles books from the patrons and raises some money. Most of all, I love my public library's librarians. I could not have gotten through graduate school without them. We are not in competition with librarians. Lots of Google Answers questions could have been answered by librarians -- but some cannot. For that, we're here. |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 09 Oct 2005 16:19 PDT |
Many of my answers have taken several hours of research to answer. A few have taken several days. If a reference librarian spent that much time on a single question, I think the taxpayers would have cause to complain. |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: byrd-ga on 09 Oct 2005 16:43 PDT |
As czh-ga said so clearly, "Lots of Google Answers questions could have been answered by librarians -- but some cannot." As pinkfreud-ga stated, many questions posted here simply take much more time and effort than any librarian is willing to expend. And as scriptor-ga pointed out, other questions require specialized knowledge, not just reference skills. I agree with my colleagues, and would like to further emphasize the fact that some questions really do require an esoteric knowledge of a field in order to even know how and where to search, in addition to knowing how to present the knowledge found. For instance, in my case, I've answered several aviation and motorcycle related questions that might seem straightforward to the average person, librarians included, but that in actuality depend on training and knowledge of specific details in order to answer not just fully, but properly. And in addition, one must remember that publiclibrarygal-ga refers to services that are available as a commonplace rule only in the U.S., while Google Answers customers are from all over the world. Many of them don't have access to these kinds of public reference services. Therefore, clearly Google Answers doesn't take money for work which can be easily duplicated for free, nor does it replace reference librarians. It's a value-added service that richly supplements the reference services offered by U.S. public libraries. |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: brianhoward-ga on 09 Oct 2005 20:00 PDT |
The only people that are getting money from what I see here are the hired Google 'researchers', every single answer that I've posted has never been marked as Answered yet. They just take the info and run. Why don't the Google people change these questions to answered when other people do it too? |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: myoarin-ga on 09 Oct 2005 20:16 PDT |
"Hear, hear!" GA Researchers are a bunch of experts on different subjects who can bring immediate personal and professional knowledge to a question. A question here is an invitation to all of them. No individual research librarian could bring the same body of expertise to every question. If you are one, click on the blue names of the GA-Researchers who have responded here. You can see the questions that they have answered and how. Wow! Scriptor-ga is German (and does use is his local library) and is a virtual monkey when it comes to climbing on family trees. Czh-ga speaks Hungarian (and ?) and provides in depth answers/advice to career questions that goes way beyond what a librarian could provide. Pinkfreud-ga's encyclopaedic knowledge sometimes seems to make the internet superfluous, but here is the only way to access it. Byrd-ga has pointed out individual strengths that only professional experience could provide. Politicalguru-ga in Germany has an uncanny knowledge of university matters or how to find the answers to questions about them. Tutuzdad-ga and Answerfinder-ga bring professional police force experience to related questions - and very many others. Crabcakes-ga responds to medical questions Wonko, Denco and Taxmama - among others - can nail down the answers to tax-related questions. I am doing a great injustice to other Researchers by singling out these few, and to them by just mentioning the first things that came to mind. Publiclibrarygal, GA is worth the money, for some questions, less than the price of the bus-fare. The money isn't wasted, and I hope that you feel that your own as not beenwated. myoarin |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: myoarin-ga on 09 Oct 2005 20:35 PDT |
Brianhoard, You and I as register users (black names) cannot post "answers", something only GA Resarcherss (blue names) may do. They are not hired, not Google employees, get 3/4 of the price when they answer a question. Three of the fourteen questions you have commented on have been "answered" by a reasearcher. On some of the others, it appears that your comment could have been the answer. If so, I hope the questioner thanked you, but that is the risk we take, and nothing can make our comments into Answers. Myoarin |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: missy-ga on 10 Oct 2005 03:51 PDT |
If I asked my favorite librarian to answer this: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=186507 ...she'd kick my butt up over my head, then like as not staple me to a reading table and beat some sense into me with the big book-shaped paperweight she keeps on her desk. And rightly so. That's simply not what she's there for, no matter how much of my (hefty) property taxes get spent to keep her in her job. Public librarians are AWESOME! They're also underpaid, horribly busy, and just cannot give each and every person who asks the hours (or sometimes days or weeks) to answer many of the questions we answer here. --Missy |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: myoarin-ga on 10 Oct 2005 04:36 PDT |
Brianhoward, My apoligies for misspelling your name! Missy, thanks for the link to your awesome answer and back to comments by Probonopublico. It seems like GA was a more fun place back then. Maybe that is why Probono signed off. I wonder if librarian education now recommends GA as a first or last resort? Myoarin |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: bowler-ga on 10 Oct 2005 11:37 PDT |
Ah, this question has been pondered many times since Google Answers began in 2002. I too asked myself this question many times since I am and have been a librarian for over 10 years. In fact there is a study that pitted Google Answers vs. Cornell University: http://www.dlib.org/dlib/june03/kenney/06kenney.html The short answer is yes, both services do the same thing. But Google Answers is a place to come when you have a very difficult, time consuming question. I envision Google Answers as the place you go after you've visited the library and exhausted every resource you know. They are the pay equivalent of the library as cable is the pay equivalent of free television. As Scriptor, Missy, etc. have pointed out, some questions cannot be handled by a library simply because of there scope, complexity and the number of hours it may take to research it. Therefore, Google Answers provides an outlet for such research. The other group of people that use Google Answers are those that simply don't have the time or energy (but have the money) to do research. If you'll notice some of the most frequent users are those compiling research for a book or a company wanting some cheap market analysis completed. As a librarian I realize that many of the questions can easily be answered by a librarian. Maybe these questions should be directed to a librarian if the person asking were aware of the usefulness of the library. But that is not the fault of Google Answers but the job of the Library Community to educate the masses on the effectiveness of the public library. Bowler-ga |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: answerfinder-ga on 10 Oct 2005 12:06 PDT |
A good library is the still the source of reliable, well researched material, and as an old dinosaur (age wise) I still prefer to look up things in a book. The one thing that GA has to its advantage is that it is international. Where else could a New Yorker ask a UK researcher about a Value Added Tax in the UK and for the researcher to make telephone calls in the UK to obtain the answer and then provide an explanation of the system and how to claim repayment. I don?t think my library would be able to provide that service. What is disappointing is that my local library now seems to spend all its budget on DVDs and other multi-media. Sadly, the reference section and the more academic books seems to be dwindling in numbers. |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: guillermo-ga on 10 Oct 2005 13:48 PDT |
I'm an Argentine Google Answers' researcher living in Argentina. Not most but some of the questions I've answered could have not been answered without being here and knowing the language and the culture (see for example: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=554762). As a native Spanish speaker -and former school teacher-, sometimes I answer questions related to nuances of my language that only with a native-like knowledge of it you'll be able to answer, even though you had the right books (example http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=573368 ). Beeing a French speaker who lived in France, I've been able to answer a question about the usage of a group of related concepts and its cultural implications in France, that could not be answered without that particular experience (http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=460326 ). As a professional in the charity field, I could help with an elaborate question -as opposed to a search for information only- about philanthropic culture (http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=561912 ). While I've never been to a US Public Library, I've learned from many Americans that they're amazingly helpful. However, I believe that the examples I've just mentioned are somewhat out of the scope of a Public Librarian in US or wherever. Guillermo |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: missy-ga on 10 Oct 2005 15:27 PDT |
Myoarin wrote: "Missy, thanks for the link to your awesome answer and back to comments by Probonopublico. It seems like GA was a more fun place back then. Maybe that is why Probono signed off." Thanks, Myoarin! That's the longest answer I've ever done for a client, and my absolute favorite. I miss having the time to answer the way I used to! Those big property taxes? I acquired those with my house last year, and have had to move on to projects that provide a more steady, solid income. But I still peek in here from time to time because even though the landscape has changed a bit, it's still fun. (There *are* things that make it less fun sometimes - people who are bitter that they didn't get selected and find it necessary to be rude and harassing to us as a result, people who feel that we don't deserve the money we earn answering questions, people who don't quite seem to understand that the ability to find information really is a skill. But really, that's all petty stuff. People are complex. You sort of have to roll with them, and laugh later.) I suppose that there's an ebb and flow to our customer participation. You know that Brian (probono) is a writer (among other things), right? He's probably too busy with other things to come by for a visit, but I expect he will be back eventually. How could he resist? --Missy |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: pinkfreud-ga on 10 Oct 2005 15:47 PDT |
In addition to all the excellent points made by the Researchers and Commenters above, I'd like to point out that quite a few questions that have been posted here are on subjects that reference librarians might not want to handle. For instance, I doubt that most reference librarians would be delighted if a total stranger were to walk up and ask "Is semen good for the complexion?" That question was asked and answered here. Another area where Google Answers Researchers perform well is in offering our creativity. I have done several computer artwork projects in response to customers' questions. I have posted original poems and jokes and have answered numerous "lonelyhearts" personal questions. I can't imagine that a reference librarian would have done a better job on those tasks. |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: myoarin-ga on 10 Oct 2005 16:10 PDT |
Last first, I think Pinky's posting came on just as I was hitting the comment box. Pinky, you are so right, even if librarians are no longer the proverbial spinsters of yore. And thank you again for one of your poems in reply to my first question. Missy, that was indeed a masterful answer, and the question led me on to Anlon-ga's one and only answer to a question, addressed to her(?) by Probono, also a wonderful long bit of writing. Oooh, as a latecomer here, it never occurred to me that among the commenters there are some who missed out at the initial draft. Well, by now they should have recognized that it is no gold mine - respect for those who have stayed on board, and still sometimes give away free comments. And while I am at it, praise for the quality of Researchers' language. Thanks to all! Myoarin |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: cryptica-ga on 10 Oct 2005 21:53 PDT |
I love librarians, too, but because of my workload and hours, I don't have time to ever get to one. When I post a question on GA, I know that within hours -- often within MINUTES -- someone will jump in and get to work on it. I also love that GA is a community. When the gang here -- researchers and commenters alike -- find a juicy question, it inspires not only a great answer, but a great dialogue -- which I value as much as the "official" answer. People jump in with extra bits and extra wit. And here's one question I KNOW a librarian could never answer. It was on the of the very first ones I ever posed here: "Have any of the researchers and commenters ever fallen in love?" |
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Re: Why waste $ here when you could ask a reference librarian for FREE?
From: omnivorous-ga on 11 Oct 2005 10:40 PDT |
First, this is an on-demand service. My library is closed more than half of the day. Second, resources available to a GA researcher may not be available even to a customer in a country with excellent Internet & library resources -- such as one in the U.K. who needs something that might only be found in a U.S. library. Third, some customers live in locations where libraries are few-and-far between or poorly resourced. Fourth, as many have mentioned, there are a number of areas of special knowledge represented here -- from math to finance to aviation to law. Of course, that's why even reference librarians are specialized at medical/law/business schools, but Google Answers provides a far wider range of professional experience than the typical reference librarians at even the largest libraries. Fifth, many customers have been to see their reference librarian. Do a search for questions by bluestreak-ga. The questions that the customer is asking often indicate that he's been through dozens of sources (and probably a half-dozen reference librarians) in an attempt to verify a historical sports or music detail. Sixth, reference librarians are not "FREE". To get real attention, it's probably a drive to the library. Then a wait behind the high school students doing Shakespeare research. And this tax bill here says that I paid $212.27 last year to have the service available. By the way, to-date you've only "wasted" $0.50. And by my judgment, received about $100 worth of information. Best regards, Omnivorous-GA |
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