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Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Visual Arts Asked by: beckyjane721-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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10 Oct 2005 18:21 PDT
Expires: 09 Nov 2005 17:21 PST Question ID: 578703 |
Who did daniel chester french use as his model for the statue "America" at the Us Customs Building in Manhattan. I was told her name was Violet Blossom Conrad but I can find no reference to her. I was also told she was the model used by a famous poster artist of the era and she was called the "angel face" or something like that. She was born in the Dakota Territory and married someone named Ellicott. |
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Re: Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
Answered By: scriptor-ga on 28 Oct 2005 10:18 PDT |
Dear beckyjane721, I just read the comments. When I noticed that you were unhappy with my original answer I had asked the editors to remove it, but now I'm glad to know that I could help you. Regards, Scriptor |
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Re: Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
From: tutuzdad-ga on 11 Oct 2005 18:12 PDT |
FYI: The customer ruled out Audrey Munson (though there is some evidence suggesting that she was indeed the model in question). Interesting character; tragic life though: Audrey Munson's stellar career as a movie star and model was eventually ruined by a murder she did not commit. Already said to be a fragile minded woman, she reportedly went mad at the age of 39 and was confined to an institution for the mentally insane. She died there in 1996 at the age of 105 after more than 65 years of confinement. tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
From: bapopik-ga on 17 Oct 2005 09:36 PDT |
My name is Barry Popik, and I've contributed to the Audrey Munson Wikipedia page. (My NY Times article on 4-15-1996 rediscovered her.) Munson definitely posed for Daniel Chester French's "America." For her American Weekly "Queen of the Studios" bio in 1922, Munson describes the posing in detail. There are even pictures of her in the casts! Daniel Chester French used Miss Munson as a model for many sculptures, including "Memory" in the Metropolitan Museum and "Miss Manhattan" and "Miss Brooklyn" in front of the Brooklyn Museum of Art (formerly at the Manhattan Bridge). |
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Re: Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
From: myoarin-ga on 17 Oct 2005 17:08 PDT |
Vindication for Tutuzdad! :) |
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Re: Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
From: beckyjane721-ga on 17 Oct 2005 18:27 PDT |
Hi all- I appreciate all of the input and am more than happy to pay tutuzdad the $5.00 if indeed Munson was the model. The reason I rejected this was because while visiting Chesterwood - the home of Daniel Chester French in the Berkshires - I met a woman on our little house tour who said that her grandmother was the model for "America". She gave a great deal of detail about this person and the alleged granddaughter did not appear to be in the least bit delusional. In any case assuming that the model was Audrey Munson, do any of you know anything about someone whose name was Violet Blossom Conrad (?Spelling), who I was told was also a popular poster model of the time and had a moniker that included the word "angel", who was later married to a man named Ellicott who put a stop to her modeling career. I find it hard to believe this woman fabricated the entire story out of whole cloth although it may be is family legend that she is the model for "America". Any input welcome. Thank you. |
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Re: Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
From: bapopik-ga on 19 Oct 2005 13:21 PDT |
Violet Blossom Conrad did indeed marry Charles Ellicott in 1907. She was called "Angel Face." However, there is no information in the newspaper databases that she posed for Daniel Chester French's "America." |
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Re: Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
From: bapopik-ga on 22 Oct 2005 13:22 PDT |
I was just going through my papers. The April 3, 1921 Hearst American Weekly (NY AMERICAN and other Hearst newspapers) "Queen of the Artists' Studios," Chapter XIII, has the photos. Captions include: ... The frieze of heroic statues around the New York Custom House, made by the noted sculptor Daniel French. For all the reminine figures in this group, Miss Munson was the model. Each group represents a nation. ... A view of the whole Customs House building, showing the more important statues on their street pedestals. Miss Munson was the model for each of the feminine figures in these, also. A photograph of the group marked A is reporduced at the right. This is "America," one of the most beautiful and majestic of the marble groups. |
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Re: Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
From: beckyjane721-ga on 22 Oct 2005 14:18 PDT |
THank you to bapopik for all of this detail and for the information on Violet Blossom Conrad. I was able to find some references to her marriage to Ellicott in the archives of the Washington Post, but no other references in the New York Times, etc. about her life or career. Anyway it seems pretty definitive to me that Munson was the model and that it appears that the granddaughter's report that her grandmother served as the model for America is a family myth. Is there a way now that I can compensate tutuzdad? I rejected his initial answer because I had found the information on Munson in a google search but no reference directly to her modeling for America. Since he/she was right to begin with - I feel it only fair to pay what I bid for the answer, but am brand new to google answers and am not even sure if it is possible to communicate with someone directly or whether all communications have to be sent through the comment section of the original question. Thank you again to bapopik. |
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Re: Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
From: myoarin-ga on 22 Oct 2005 18:08 PDT |
Beckyjane, You can just hope that Tutuzdad comes back and posts his answer, but you've got your heart in the right place, and that counts for a lot here too. And it is a real treat to get the word the source, Barry, thanks. So D. C. French use Audrey as his model for all the continents, that avoided any racial problems - at least back then. If anyone is interested, here is a great site that shows them all and also links at the end of page to a site with many more pictures of French's work, including several more that were and could have been modeled for by Audrey Munson: http://www.yeodoug.com/resources/dc_french/continents/dcfrench_continents.html She was the woman for whom the word statuesque could have been coined, as one could see on a link from Tutuz's lost answer. French probably felt like the man in "South Pacific": "Once you have found her, never let her go." Pity about her later life. Thank you, Becky, for a very interesting quesion. Myoarin |
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Re: Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
From: smitty123-ga on 27 Oct 2005 11:19 PDT |
There are few myths in our family and the fact that Violet Blossom Conrad has little written about her post 1907 is that CR Ellicott said she "would pose no more". But to take away her most enduring pose and discredit the fact with such authority leaves me slightly taken aback. Check out an article from The World Magazine December 31st, 1905 where Mr. French states he found his ideal image in "the girl with the angel face" for his America. I can send a copy to any or all and I am just getting some news items of the day together for the French Musem at Chesterwood as I promised. No, I do not think I am delusional and though Blossom posed no more, her life before and after her modeling days was one filled with adventure, motherhood and, perhaps, she proved to be one of the most unconventional grandmothers one could hope to have. Remember too that though the Customs House opened in 1908 the sculpture were planned and posed for considerably earlier, around 1905 by our calculations which would make "Blossom" 20 years old and by accounts posted here, Audrey would have been 14 (which makes her quite young at the time). There is so much more I'd like to share about her but perhaps you should all wait for my book which will be filled with this and so much more. Terri Clark, grandaughter of Violet Blossom Conrad and Charles Ridgley Ellicott ps I enjoyed very much meeting the people on the house tour at Chesterwood. |
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Re: Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
From: tutuzdad-ga on 27 Oct 2005 13:34 PDT |
I'd like to take credit but I can't. It was Scriptor-ga who posted Munson as the likley model. tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
From: smitty123-ga on 28 Oct 2005 10:11 PDT |
My comments are not intended to discredit Audrey Munson in any way but to take "likely" model and support as a truth is not going to cut it. "America" was fashioned after "The Girl with the Angel Face" who never sought to be a model but was sought out by painters and sculptors after she made her debut in Washington D.C. She is quoted in the World Magazine article of December 31st, 1905 as saying if nothing else, being the model for "America" will leave something tangible that she would be remembered by. Her children and grandchildren would remember and make the pilgrimage to the steps of the Alexander Hamilton Customs House when ever in Manhatten. For those of us who knew the classic beauty of this woman, even in old age, there was little doubt who "America" was fashioned from. |
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Re: Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
From: myoarin-ga on 28 Oct 2005 12:21 PDT |
Terri, Your argument about Audrey Munson's age really takes her out of the running for the Custom House statues, despite the talk about her being model for all those statues. Barry Popik's website (easy to find with his name) posts his article on Munson far down on the list of articles about Big Apple. With hindsight about her age, however, his information is not very convincing. Maybe after your grandmother married, it was considered more tactful not to mention her modelling career, and someone later suggested that Audrey - by then omnipresent - had modelled for all those statues too, perhaps with French's support of the subterfuge. All very interesting. Myoarin |
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Re: Art History - Model for Daniel Chester French's statue of "America"
From: smitty123-ga on 07 Nov 2005 12:51 PST |
I think the authorities at Chesterfield, the museum at Chester's Berkshire country home, were not clear on all of the models and were thrilled to get the information from our side re at least one of them- If I were making assumptions, which I will not, I would say both statues on the front of the building are Violet Blosssom Conrad as they look so much like her- one with her hair pulled back in a knot and the other with hair piled on her head- but I have nothing in writing that would support this. |
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