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Subject: Canadian WW2 Merchant Marine vessle 'Ganandoc'
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: jonnydarko-ga
List Price: $15.00
Posted: 11 Oct 2005 18:03 PDT
Expires: 10 Nov 2005 17:03 PST
Question ID: 579120
I'm looking for information on a merchant marine vessle used by Canada
in WW2, called 'Ganandoc'.
There was an American aircraft carrier by the same name, but this
isn't the vessle I'm interested in.

Things I'd like are to know what happened to the ship after 1942, was
it torpedo'd etc.  A crew list if possible, any other information and
pictures would be great.
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Subject: Re: Canadian WW2 Merchant Marine vessle 'Ganandoc'
From: rossgmann-ga on 11 Oct 2005 21:10 PDT
 
Last Name:Ganandoc	
Ship Type:Steamer	
Built:1929	                             
Built City: Swan, Hunter & Wigham Richardson. Wallsend-On-Tyne
SOLD: For Lake use in 1961

Cannot find anything on Crew

Kind regards
Ross (Australia)
Subject: Re: Canadian WW2 Merchant Marine vessle 'Ganandoc'
From: fairesavoir-ga on 20 Oct 2005 11:08 PDT
 
Hello jonnydarko-ga,

Please note that I am not an official Google Answerer. Maybe one of
them can use this information in a official answer for you.

The Great Lakes Vessels Index, Historical Collections of the Great
Lakes, Bowling Green State University
has has a picture of "Ganandoc" and the vessels history in table
format from date built to her grounding on Arcas Reef, Bay of
Campeche, Mexico, November 27, 1961
http://digin.bgsu.edu/cgi-win/lak952.exe

I, too, was unable to find crew lists.

It appears that "Ganadoc" started off as a grain carrier on the Great
Lakes and St Lawrence River 1929 to 1942, and again from 1953 to 1961.
Owned by Paterson Steamships, Ltd. Fort William, Ontario, Canada, and
latterly by N.M. Paterson & Sons, Ltd. of Fort William (now
Thunderbay),

From 1942 to 1946 the ship was taken over by US Maritime Commission,
and was managed by Alcoa Steamship Co. (Aluminum Company of America)
(see http://www.usmm.org/ships.html - nothing specific on "Ganandoc")
In my "Other References- 1 Boatnerd.com" below the commenter says
"Ganandoc" was a bauxite carrier, and then was
"Refitted at Mobile, Alabama then to Europe as an aircraft transport
vessel". I haven't located another reference to corroborate the refit.
However, since GANANDOC is a made up name (GANANoque(?) and
DominionOfCanada), I would guess that it is highly unlikely that two
different ships would concurrently have the same name .

From 1946 to 1947 it changed ownership again, this time by Peak Steam Ship Co Ltd
I cannot find any info.

Then From 1947 to 1953, owned by Wallem & Co. 
"When Haakon Johan Wallem died in 1951, his company was one of the
most reputable ship management and broking houses in South-East Asia.
The 1950s and 1960s saw further opportunities for the Wallem Group to
expand its activities, catering principally to the new breed of Hong
Kong shipowners: selling them second-hand European tonnage, arranging
profitable employment mainly at that time in Eastern waters, and
structuring lucrative hire-purchase resales to countries in South-East
Asia. Wallem's ship management skills helped numerous Hong Kong
shipowners to get their budding fleets under way."
( see http://www.wallem.com/wgl_timeline.html - nothing specific on "Ganandoc")

Then from 1953 to 1961she was owned again by N.M. Paterson & Sons, Ltd.

Finally she was renamed "Sugarland" and owned by Sandland Shipping,
Ltd. Nassau British West Indies in 1961, until she was "lost" on
November 27th in the Gulf of Mexico.

Another laker was sold in 1961:
"The canal motorship (former steamer) SANDLAND of Beaconsfield
Steamships Ltd. was a familiar sight around the lakes until 1961 when
she was sold to Sandland Shipping Ltd., Nassau, and was taken to the
Caribbean."
( http://www.hhpl.on.ca/GreatLakes/Documents/Scanner/08/07/default.asp?ID=c003 )

The older Canal ships were most likely sold off for newer, wider,
longer Lakers that could now get through the new canals and locks of
the St Lawrence Seaway that opened in 1959:

1959
Completion of the joint U.S.-Canadian St. Lawrence Seaway navigation
project links the Great Lakes region to global markets.
On April 25, the icebreaker 'D'Iberville' begins the first through
transit of the St. Lawrence Seaway, officially opened by Queen
Elizabeth and President Eisenhower on June 26. Dedication ceremonies
were also held June 27 in Massena, New York, and involved the Queen
and Vice-President Richard M. Nixon.
( http://www.greatlakes-seaway.com/en/aboutus/seaway_history.html )



SEARCH SRATEGY - Actually more of a paper chase than a search strategy :)

Google Search: GANADOC returns the following site:

St Lawrence River Canals Vessels y KJames Gilmore
http://www.hhpl.on.ca/GreatLakes/Documents/Gilmore/default.asp?ID=s021c

Company: 	N. M. Paterson & Sons Ltd.
Name		Ganandoc 
Year of build	1929
Hull Builder	Swan Hunter 
Engine HP	Triple 750 
(Triple expansion engine:
http://www.hhpl.on.ca/GreatLakes/Documents/Gilmore/default.asp?ID=s018
)
Engine Builder 	Swan Hunter 
L   		252.8'
B		43.4' 
D		17.9 '
Speed knots	. . . 
Gross tons	1924 
DWT 		. . . 
Capacity	. . . 
   
Swan Hunter: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
"Swan Hunter, formerly known as "Swan Hunter & Wigham Richardson", is
one of the best known shipbuilding companies in the United Kingdom.
Based in Wallsend, Tyne and Wear, the company was responsible for some
of the greatest ships of the early 20th century ? most famously, the
RMS Mauretania which held the Blue Riband for the fastest crossing of
the Atlantic, and the RMS Carpathia which rescued the survivors from
the RMS Titanic."
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan_Hunter)

Google Search: N. M. Paterson & Sons Ltd returns the following site:

N. M. Paterson and Company history:
http://www.patersongrain.com/companyhistory.html
"N. M. Paterson and Company Limited. The primary business activity
during these early, formative years involved buying bulk screenings
from [grain] elevators and selling them for car lot shipment east."
"Paterson Steamships Limited was created on February 10, 1926. Prior
to that date, N. M. Paterson and Company, Limited had operated a total
of seven vessels dating back to 1915 when the S.S. Van Allen was
acquired. In 1926, however, Paterson's real entry into the shipping
business occurred when eleven steamers were purchased from the
Interlake Steamship Company of Cleveland, Ohio. These lakers were
named after provinces and cities in Canada with a "doc" suffix to
designate "Dominion of Canada"... "

GANANDOC. The only city that comes to mind is Gananoque, Ontario which
is on the St Lawreence River near Kingston.
Entering GANAN in the Geographical Names of Canada search box returns Gananoque
( http://geonames.nrcan.gc.ca/search/search_e.php )

Google Search Interlake Steamship Company of Cleveland, Ohio returns the site:

Great Lakes St. Lawrence Seaway System
http://www.greatlakes-seaway.com/en/links/carriers.html
which has a link to 

The Interlake Steamship Co
http://www.interlakesteamship.com/
which has a link to 

The Great Lakes Historical Society
http://www.inlandseas.org/
which has a link to 

the online resource library at Bowling Green State University
http://www.bgsu.edu/colleges/library/  links to 


Great Lakes Vessels Index, Historical Collections of the Great Lakes,
Bowling Green State University
http://www.bgsu.edu/colleges/library/hcgl/hcgl.html and 
http://www.bgsu.edu/colleges/library/hcgl/vessel.html and
http://www.bgsu.edu/colleges/library/hcgl/vsearch.html
http://digin.bgsu.edu/lakes.htm

Entering GANANDOC in the Vessel name box, returns:
http://digin.bgsu.edu/cgi-win/lak95.exe

and clicking on the ITEM button 
http://digin.bgsu.edu/cgi-win/lak952.exe

Great Lakes Vessels Index, Historical Collections of the Great Lakes,
Bowling Green State University
has has a picture of "Ganandoc" and the vessels history in table
format from date built to her grounding on Arcas Reef, Bay of
Campeche, Mexico, November 27, 1961


Other References:

1. Boatnerd.com
Re: SS Ganandoc
From: JEB Location: Ohio Email: nameless2atatt.net Remote Name:
12.87.132.235 Date: 03/14/03 Time: 07:27:33 PM
Seeking info on SS Ganandoc ore freighter captained by Ernest Baker
out of Collingwood, Ont. in the early 1900's
Reply:
From: Rob Location: OntarioEmail: rsmccarlataol.com Remote Name:
205.188.208.6 Date: 03/15/03 Time: 10:55:26 PM
The Ganandoc was built in 1929 as hull #1383 by Swan, Hunter & Wigham
Richardson in England. Her dimensions were 259'x43'3"x24'. She was
operated by N.M.Paterson and was sold in 1961. She was used in the
bauxite trade in 1941 and passed to the US War Shipping Administration
24/12/42. Refitted at Mobile, Alabama then to Europe as an aircraft
transport vessel. For 5 years (1947-1952) she operated on deep sea
routes. Paterson repurchased her in 1953 and returned to the Great
Lakes. Sold in 1961 to Sugarland Shipping Ltd., registered in Nassau,
Bahamas and renamed Sugarland. Ran aground on Arcas Reef, Campas Bay
21/11/61 and was declared a total loss.
(http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:O6PDw0nKM8MJ:www.boatnerd.com/search/archive/3-03/00007e73.htm+GANAnDOC&hl=en
)

2. WW2 Memorial Message Center
I am seeking anyone who knew my father Capt Stefan P. Wesolowski
during WWII on board the USAT Ganandoc, US Army Transportation Corps,
auxillery aircraft carrier or other ships to include the Polish Navy
and Merchant Marine. I will be in Normandy for the D Day ceremony
zwesolowsk@aol.com Phone  954-472-0063  
(http://mb.wwiimemorial.com/messagesview.asp?key=1632 )
Subject: Re: Canadian WW2 Merchant Marine vessle 'Ganandoc'
From: fairesavoir-ga on 20 Oct 2005 11:13 PDT
 
The following 

Google Search: GANADOC returns the following site:

should read

Google Search: GANANDOC .....
Subject: Re: Canadian WW2 Merchant Marine vessle 'Ganandoc'
From: jonnydarko-ga on 11 Dec 2005 01:02 PST
 
Thanks fairesavoir and rossgmann, this is a tough one, I appreciate the help!

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