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Subject: LLC Partnership
Category: Business and Money > Accounting
Asked by: zacjames-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 13 Oct 2005 14:53 PDT
Expires: 12 Nov 2005 13:53 PST
Question ID: 579953
I am a 15% partner of an LLC started in 1998. Every K-1 I have
received has been for a loss, but this year I was attributed with
$3,378 of self-employment earnings on lines 1 and 14A. I have not been
active in the partnership. I have never voted nor been invited to an
annual meeting, but at the start I was fully active. Having a loss was
fine, but now I have to pay what I see as corporate taxes, but my
partners say there is no money to distribute to me since all of the
capital accounts are negative. I asked one partner what he is doing
and he says he's ignoring it unless "we strike it rich", which I took
as that he wasn't filing his K-1. Can my partners take all of the
money (through salaries or whatever) without involving me? Do I need
to hire a professional to help me to decide what to do by looking at
their books? What kind of professional (CPA or Tax Attorney or
Corporate Attorney) and where can I find one in Chicago that would be
on the budget of an individual?
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Subject: Re: LLC Partnership
Answered By: taxmama-ga on 17 Oct 2005 09:22 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Dear Zac,

Let's see if I can answer as many of your questions as possible. 

1) You say: I have never voted nor been invited to an annual meeting, 
but at the start I was fully active. Having a loss was fine

Did you deduct those losses? If you had invested money in the
beginning, and you were an active 'member'* of the LLC, you were
probably able to take the tax benefit from the deductions.  
If you were not able to use them, due to passive loss limits
on your personal tax returns, you have a passive loss carryover
that would absorb the $3378 of income allocated to you for 2004.

If you were able to deduct the losses in the past, you do have to 
pay tax on the income now. 

[* Note: in an LLC, a partner is called a 'member'.]

2) You say: but now I have to pay what I see as corporate taxes, 
but my partners say there is no money

That is very common in partnerships and LLCs. This is a big danger
that occurs when you're a silent member. There is no law that requires
them to distribute money to cover your share of the profits or your
tax liability. Most well-run LLCs do distribute money to cover members'
taxes, though.

3) You say: I asked one partner what he is doing and he says he's 
ignoring it unless "we strike it rich", which I took as that he 
wasn't filing his K-1.

That's not so. He reports his profits and losses on his tax returns, too.
He may not have to pay tax on the income, if he had suspended losses in 
the past. What he's ignoring for now, is the negative capital account in
the business. He's apparently expecting there to be profits at some point.

4) You ask: Can my partners take all of the money (through salaries or 
whatever) without involving me? 

You betcha! Read your LLC contract. It probably spells out that the 
active or managing members are to receive a salary. It may define the
salary in absolute dollars, or as a percentage of sales or whatever.
But it should be defined. 

As to not involving you, again, read your agreement. It will define 
whether or not you have voting power. If you do, insist on being
informed before all meetings (send them a written demand to perform
on that score), and exercise your right to vote. 

5) You ask: Do I need to hire a professional to help me to decide 
what to do by looking at their books?

Not really. You sound like a pretty savvy kind of guy. 
Why don't you just look at their books to see what their
income is, and their corresponding expenses.

Look at their annual payroll tax returns, especially the W-2's, 
to see what each member is getting paid. In fact, if you look
at the W-2s for the last three years, you'll be able to see if
they took raises, or cuts in pay, to accommodate the declining profits.

6) You ask: Where can I find one in Chicago that would be on the 
budget of an individual?

You have three choices of a tax professional who could look at
the books and tax returns of the LLC and explain to you what's 
going on - you can hire a tax attorney, a CPA, or an EA (enrolled agent).

Generally, your least expensive option is the EA. You can find
an EA in your area by going to the National Association of Enrolled Agents'
website at www.naea.org and searhing for an EA in your zip code, whose
specialty is business. 

Or you can go to the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants
website at www.aicpa.org and find someone local. 

Or you can go to the National Bar Association website
http://www.nationalbar.org/welcome.shtml

You can also find tax professionals at the National Association of 
Tax Professionals website, which includes all categories of tax pros.
http://www.natptax.com/

I do hope this gives you an idea of how all this works, and options
so you can decide how to procede.

Good luck. 

Your TaxMama-ga
zacjames-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
Thank you. #1 cleared up a lot of things for me and the other
responses are very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to answer my
question.

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