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Subject: Residential Architect Fee structure and expectations - Partial House Remodeling
Category: Family and Home > Home
Asked by: observer_ip-ga
List Price: $25.00
Posted: 20 Oct 2005 18:03 PDT
Expires: 19 Nov 2005 17:03 PST
Question ID: 582854
Please, provide what should be a reasonable fee and expectation for
Residential Architect work. The task is to remodel 400 sq. ft house
area - in short the need is to re-design area and add second floor or
remove this part of the house (it is separate from the main structure)
and build 2 store area from scratch

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 20 Oct 2005 18:51 PDT
observer_ip-ga,


Architects often charge a percentage of the cost of a job (much like
real-estate agents) rather than a fixed fee.

Five percent is a pretty common figure, so that a job that winds up
with a construction contract of, say, $100,000 would generate a 5%
design fee for the architect of $5,000.

Of course, there are many variations on this theme, and certainly
architects that will work for a fixed fee rather than a percentage.

Is that the sort of information you need?  What kind of documentation
are you looking for?

Let us know how we can best be of service to you (for a modest fixed
fee of only $25!)


Thanks,

pafalafa-ga

Clarification of Question by observer_ip-ga on 21 Oct 2005 00:52 PDT
Hello Pafalafa-ga,

  The best would be information from the person who deal with
residential architect personally on similar assignment or from the
residential architect who knows what are the industry fees,
expectations and requirements.

Thanks,

   Oserver

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 21 Oct 2005 05:29 PDT
I wrote the above from personal knowledge and experience.

As a matter of fact, I am in the midst (dust, noise, chaos) of a house
addition project that was designed by an architect we hired. 
Fee...5%, which is fairly standard.

In addition, we have asked the architect to make periodic site visits
to inspect the progress of the job.  He charges $250 per visit, and
spends several hours on site each time.

Is that the sort of information you need?  If not, please let me know
what sorts of additional information you're looking for.

Thanks,

pafalafa-ga

Clarification of Question by observer_ip-ga on 28 Oct 2005 07:44 PDT
I am looking for a logical (industry standard) way to structure
reasonable architect's fee and corresponding responsibilities for the
task I described (with explanations/details, not arbitrary number or
percent).

Request for Question Clarification by pafalafa-ga on 28 Oct 2005 08:13 PDT
It doesn't sound like my one-time, hands-on experience in hiring an
architect is the type of thing you're looking for.  Hopefully, another
researcher will be able to step in and provide a broader perspective.

Best of luck,

paf
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Subject: Re: Residential Architect Fee structure and expectations - Partial House Remodel
From: myoarin-ga on 20 Oct 2005 20:34 PDT
 
If the architect also oversees the work, that also costs something,
but it can be worth it, since he or she is in the best position to
assure that the plan will be realized correctly and also relieve the
owner of much hassle.  A contractor would do the same, but also for a
price.
Subject: Re: Residential Architect Fee structure and expectations - Partial House Remodeling
From: perkins4108-ga on 24 Oct 2005 21:29 PDT
 
From your question, it seems that an architect would be a very good
idea.  And a fee up to even 10% would not be unreasonable.   The most
important role of an architect is extremely valuable: programming. 
The service requested in your question is programming.  This is the
process of interviewing you and translating your needs into the
language of construction.  The best programmers are the best
architects.  You end up with something intended to serve your needs,
not aggrandize the architect.  (my apologies to my friends in the
design professions.)  And as the amazinly astute myoarin suggests:
overseeing the work is extremely important.  I suggest that you ask
the architect how he or she goes about these two processes, before and
after the design process.  The first one, programming gets the project
headed in the right direction, then overseeing the project, (called
construction administration) makes sure that it happens well.  Have a
great time!  Get ear plugs!
Subject: Re: Residential Architect Fee structure and expectations - Partial House Remodel
From: myoarin-ga on 28 Oct 2005 11:49 PDT
 
Here are a few of sites that could help:
http://www.improvenet.com/adviceandresources/articleslibrary/eugene_brown1.html
http://doityourself.com/architecture/remodeling.htm
http://www.aialosangeles.org/html/working.html
http://www.bscd.com/finding/
http://www.askthebuilder.com/528-Architect-Fees-and-Services.shtml
Subject: Re: Residential Architect Fee structure and expectations - Partial House Remodeling
From: ferret13-ga on 29 Oct 2005 01:33 PDT
 
I am doing something similar and paying $5000.  This includes some
construction site visits, which I negotiated into the contract.  I
feel the paying a percentage method is strange because the architect
work comes before the construction cost is known.  Here is my
contract.  Note the architect is young and it's a "friendly" rate (but
not discounted a lot I think).  I live in a city with a low cost of
living. I pay in three payments, prior to starting each segment of the
work.

							

Dear AAA:

It was a pleasure to meet with you to discuss your plans for a new
addition/kitchen layout.  Attached is an outline of the process from
conception to completion for the following project as well as a
clarification of our services.

SCOPE OF WORK: 	In summary, your requested needs include:
?	Living space addition w/ ample natural sunlight
?	Powder room
?	More accommodating Kitchen
?	2nd floor rooftop terrace accessed via 2nd floor office
?	Small exterior landing/steps leading to yard

Includes all drawings necessary for permit.

			Total Architecture/Design Fee = $5000 + reimbursable items*

Design team to meet with client to review needs/desires and will
commence measuring of existing conditions.  Owner to provide any
images/samples acquired thus far. Owner to provide non-original copies
of any existing drawings of building or plot.  A Structural Engineer
will need to review drawings, who?s fees are to be paid by the owner.



PROCESS FROM CONCEPT TO CONSTRUCTION			           estimated hours
Items in italics = outside of Architect/design scope of work    
									       	
AS-BUILT DRAWINGS				target delivery:	mid-June	        	

Generate Site Plan indicating property lines, streets, existing structures 
on/adjacent to property, major features or known utilities 
(If required, owner may need to pay for an official surveyed plot drawings).

Cost for As-built Drawings portion of work:  $1250 + reimbursable items



DESIGN					target delivery:	end of August	        			        	   	
?	Interpret Program and discuss physical manifestation of concepts
 into new building design 

?	Conceptual drawings to include:  site plan, foundation plan, 1st
floor plan,2nd floor plan, , building section, exterior elevations of
north, west and south elevations.   We will provide samples/images of
exterior cladding.

?	Concept meeting with Owner
Owner provides feedback, makes choices, approves direction				        	
?	Revise/advance design
		Formalize plans. sections and elevations.
		Owner  approves design. 
		Owner solicits for preliminary construction estimates.

Cost for Design portion of work:  $1250 + reimbursable items*


CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS		target delivery:	end of December

?	Develop drawings into full construction documents ready for permit submission. 
Owner reviews drawings, provides feedback, makes choices, approves direction

?	HVAC contractor to provide engineered stamped HVAC permit
application and drawings  for Architect.  If contractor is unavailable
to do this, the Owner will need to hire an HVAC engineer to complete
the HVAC drawings/application.  The HVAC application/drawings must be
submitted simultaneously as the general Building Permit.

?	Revise/advance drawing set to create final design and specifications
Owner provides final approval.  Provide client with printed set of documents.

?	Submit drawings and applications 
for Building Permit 

?	Receive response from Plans Examiner and review
Revise drawings and provide clarifications as needed
Develop wall sections/construction details as requested by plans examiner.
Review major concerns with Owner as needed
		Resubmit adjusted drawings to Plans Examiner

?	This project may require a hearing with the Zoning review board in
regard to side-yard setbacks.  In this event, architect will bill
client at hourly rate of $60/hour.
Owner?s presence is required.
	
?	Plans Examiner approves drawings for permit
Owner to pay for Building Permit.

?	While Architect will provide floor plan layout of all spaces, Owner
must choose all kitchen cabinets/appliances, powder room
fixtures/fittings, flooring, paint colors, etc.

Cost for Contract Documents/Permitting portion of work:  $2500  +
reimbursable items*
CONSTRUCTION ADMINISTRATION 					        		

?	Architect will visit site (2) times during construction.  Additional
scheduled site visitations (if requested) will be billed to owner at a
rate of $60/hour.  Owner may ask Architect to administer Change
Orders, review bids, etc @ a rate of $60/hour.

?	Contractors to obtain own electric or plumbing permits as needed. 
Contractor schedules all inspections/obtains Certificate of Occupancy
upon completion



*Note: Reimbursable items include: engineering (surveyor consultant's
fee if needed) cost of all permits, printing/ developing fees, samples
or materials (i.e. items ordered if needed).

Scope of work to be modified under the following circumstances:  Owner
alters scope of project or reverts process of drawing/permitting
procedures.

Your project is well within our means and interests.  We welcome you
to contact us with any regard.



Sincerely, 

XX A. YY, Architect







Please sign and date below, to signify our agreement in contract form: 

			Agreed by:				Date:		

Architect:


Client:

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