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Subject:
Legal claim on property
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: neil883-ga List Price: $20.00 |
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26 Aug 2002 06:04 PDT
Expires: 25 Sep 2002 06:04 PDT Question ID: 58572 |
This is a legal question. I have recently been in a nasty arguement with my older sister regarding issues related to our mothers alzheimers disease and her consequently having to go into a nursing home. It is a rather long complicated story- but now another issue has been brought up, I believe as a result of our discord about our mother but really having nothing to do with our mothers condition. I believe rather this is happening out of vindictiveness and jealousy. In October of 1999 my sister approached my wife and offered to buy a property(about 1 acre with a drilled well and septic, 3 bedroom mobile home) that we were having difficulty selling- and was strapping us financially. We thought this to be a very generous offer and were elated to think that she and my brother in law were willing to help us out. The problem is- we never drew up any agreement in writing! I asked to do that and my brother in law assured me that was not necessary. The agreement as we understood it was: after our tenant moved out, they would "take over the mortagage payments", what that meant was - they would transfer the money to our account- and we would continue paying the bank as usual. They also advertised the mobile home, showed it and sold it- as they did not wish to live in that. This all began in May of 2000. After the mobile home sold in August of 2000, that money was put directly against the balance of the loan, and they paid the balance off out of their pockets (about $10,000) They also paid the taxes due on the property. Now that she is mad at me about our mother she sent me a letter last week demanding payment of $2700.00 for the taxes and the 5 mortgage payments made almost 2 years ago now. Does she have any legal basis for this claim? Should we respond back with our own letter stating our understanding of the agreement ( as a way of our going on record?)Or do we need to get a lawyer right now to handle this? I can't believe she is doing this, it is a very ugly situation. Please HELP! Neil 883-ga |
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Re: Legal claim on property
Answered By: siliconsamurai-ga on 26 Aug 2002 07:28 PDT |
Although you can never tell what a particular court will do and the real estate laws vary in detail from state to state, there are some general things I can explain about your situation. Please remember that we here at Google Answers can not give legal advice as such and you should never take any action based solely on our research. First, yes, you probably do need a lawyer, but before you go that route here is some background which should tell you what you can expect and whether you think this is something that you should try to work out or perhaps take to small claims court if possible in your location. Unfortunately you have just discovered why there is something called The Statute of Frauds which applies in all U.S. states and, to the best of my knowledge, all Commonwealth countries since its an old English law doctrine dated back to 1677. As you can see your situation isnt new. The old saying that an oral contract isnt worth the paper its written on isnt actually correct. Oral contracts can be entirely valid but the main restriction on this is what is known as The Statute of Frauds. Essentially what this says is that certain types of transactions must, absolutely MUST be in writing or they cant be enforced. In most jurisdictions this includes: Any transaction which will not be completed within one year. Any transaction with a value over a certain amount (often $500.) AND, ANY transaction having to do with the conveyance (transfer) of land rights. Your case is complex but the underlying law is simple. Oral contracts can be valid and enforceable unless they are deemed to be against public policy, involve illegal activities, or would fall under the statute of frauds. You really cant go on record at this point, an agreement has to be in place in advance, although a lawyer might suggest writing a letter as part of a negotiation. An offer of compromise will seldom if ever have any legal standing unless it is accepted so you should be able to try and negotiate something fair with the other party without damaging your standing in any future action. I would personally do this face to face, preferably without witnesses, but any compromise agreed upon should be put in writing. This situation will either be settled amicably between you or in court. All you can hope for is a judge who will view the equities of this arrangement but as for legal grounds, neither of you has a clear case except that you simply can't sell land on an oral agreement. Unless a deed was executed and recorded you still hold title to the property and can sue for the use the other party has made of the property. The bottom line in all this is that you cant agree to convey title to real property without putting it in writing so your agreement with your relative has no legal standing. A judge who is willing to consider this case and make a ruling will have to do it on an equity basis and esentially make up a new agreement which he or she will be reluctant to do. That said, you should consider this. If you did NOT have an agreement in writing then selling the mobile home could be a criminal act known as fraudulent conversion. If the other party has enjoyed use of the property during the period in question then a court might well choose to interpret this as something for which you should be compensated but this is pretty shaky ground also since even a lease lasting longer than one year must be in writing. If you want to get nasty and if you never signed a title to the mobile home, you might want to contact a lawyer and seek specific advice about prosecuting if the statute of limitations hasnt expired. Here are some explanations available online. Professor Smiths Contract Tutorial, specifically for California http://www.west.net/~smith/frauds.htm Here is a brief explanation of the statute of frauds from law.com http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?typed=statute+of+frauds A related rule is called the parole evidence rule and it is often confused with the statute of frauds. http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?typed=statute+of+frauds In brief this relates to the fact that a written agreement cant be modified by an oral agreement but that doesnt apply in your case. Here is information for New Jersey www.lawrev.state.nj.us/rpts/fraud.pdf If you want to tell us what state the property is located in I can probably provide a link to that states specific rule but they are all very similar. Most have wording to the effect that, No action shall be brought in court concerning Search terms Google statute of frauds ://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&q=statute+of+frauds You are in a sticky situation which is exactly why real estate transactions must, by law, be in writing in most parts of the English speaking world. Local laws will govern and may vary somewhat so you will almost certainly need some legal advice. There are many lawyers who offer a free consultation and you should avail yourself of one or more of these before taking any action at all. There are also online resources available but since specific advice will only be available from a lawyer licensed to practice in your state I cant provide any special links. You should have no trouble locating a lawyer who will offer a free initial consultation either by watching local television ads, or by calling a few lawyers in the local phone directory. Best of luck and remember that, in a situation like this there are several possible goals and you need to decide which is most important. You can win a case and lose a family. If it helps, if the brother-in-law who told you this didn't need to be in writing is a lawyer you can certainly have him censured and possibly even disbarred. I hope this has been helpful, a detailed analysis of your particular situation really wouldnt be appropriate since the specific laws vary so much but I believe you will find that your main problem lies within the statute of frauds which would make any unwritten real property conveyance null and void in most jurisdictions. However, you do, if I read your statement correctly, still own the property and that should give you some leverage. You might also want to check to see if the taxes have actually been paid so you dont encounter a tax sale half way through this. If the mobile home was sold without your written permission and it's value was over $500, this is an important fact to tell any lawyer. The Statute of Frauds is actually intended to protect you, the land owner from claims that you have sold it when you really haven't. The value of the real property doesn't enter into this, it could be virtually worthless land. Please ask if you need a clarification but I dont believe we can provide much more information without stepping over the line into giving legal advice which we are not permitted to do. |
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Re: Legal claim on property
From: expertlaw-ga on 26 Aug 2002 08:42 PDT |
The statute of frauds may be relevant to the proceedings, but it isn't a magic bullet that kills a non-compliant statute. Ordinarily, it is an "affirmative defense" to an action to enforce a contract - which means the party who wishes to claim that the statute of frauds was violated must ask the court to apply the statute and (whether they are the plaintiff or defendant) will carry the burden of proof on that question. Additionally, most states have a body of law which holds that a party that has acted wrongfully cannot plead the statute of frauds - that is, the courts will not let themselves be used to compound that person's wrongful acts. There is actually some pressure to significantly scale back or repeal the statute of frauds - although it was created to protect parties from being haled into court over fraudulent claims, it is primarily used by parties who wish to avoid the application of oral contracts, the terms of which are not actually in dispute. If either side in the case you describe tried to plead the statute of frauds, as siliconsamurai points out, it would invalidate the contract as it affects an interest in property, and is neither in writing nor signed by the party to be charged with the agreement. However the consequence would be rescission - the court would attempt to put the parties back into their original position. You did not mention if your sister and brother-in-law built a new home on the property or if they live on the property - if so, they may not wish to restore the land to your possession. All of this becomes moot if, after you paid off the mortgage, the property was titled over to your sister and brother-in-law. The deed granting them title would vest them with title. Ordinarily the deed will recite the "consideration" paid for the property - these days, usually a dollar figure. A duly executed, signed and recorded deed would satisfy the statute of frauds. However, your sister and brother-in-law could still try to introduce additional statements ("parol evidence") to try to prove that certain payments they made were in addition to the purchase price and were to be repaid by you. Also, if neither party wishes to dispute that there was a sale of the property from you to your sister and brother-in-law (whether or not there is yet a deed transferring title), the purpose of a legal proceeding would be to try to establish the terms of the purchase agreement. If there is no deed, you may be able to bring an action for rent for the period of time your sister and brother-in-law were in possession of the property. If you do choose to follow siliconsamurai's invitation to request a clarification, I suggest you clarify the circumstances of the agreement, including whether your sister and brother-in-law placed a new home on the property and if they reside there, and indicate the state where this has occurred. siliconsamurai is correct that laws vary between states, but many states now put their statutes and recent case law online so it may be possible to find some helpful legal authorities to clarify your situation. Before you put anything in writing with regard to how you perceive the agreement, it would be a good idea to have your letter to your sister reviewed by a lawyer in your state. You may be able to find a lawyer through the resources listed by the American Bar Association at: http://www.abanet.org/legalservices/public.html |
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Re: Legal claim on property
From: expertlaw-ga on 26 Aug 2002 08:43 PDT |
Silly me... that first sentence should read "The statute of frauds may be relevant to the proceedings, but it isn't a magic bullet that kills a non-compliant CONTRACT." |
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Re: Legal claim on property
From: siliconsamurai-ga on 26 Aug 2002 08:56 PDT |
I think expertlaw and I agree that we really can't give detailed help without knowing the jurisdiction and a lot more details, but I don't believe we would really be able to do much more even then since it will be up to a court to decide and the only opinion that counts in the end is that of the judge. All of expertlaw's points are also well taken. There may be some considerable downside to the other party taking this to court, I hadn't thought to ask if they had built a residence because they would have to be really dumb to try and demand tax payments in that case. However some people make really dumb mistakes, such as selling that mobile home if they didn't have clear title. If expertlaw replies to this I would be very interested in any views on what action you can take if they sold that mobile home and didn't have clear title. I would only like to add that this is exactly the sort of case that shows up on those instant law courts on TV (not CourtTV). I presume Judge Judy and all the others pay a hefty appearance fee so if you file in small claims court I would check out the various TV judges and perhaps everyone will come out a little ahead on this mess. |
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Re: Legal claim on property
From: expertlaw-ga on 26 Aug 2002 09:38 PDT |
If additional details are provided, it should be possible to find specific statutes and probably also to find relevant case law to help clarify the rights of the parties. siliconsamurai's point with regard to not being able to provide legal advice is valid, and thus any answer would have to be provided in the hypothetical. As I read the scenario, the mobile home was sold with the knowledge and consent of neil883, and the proceeds of the sale were applied to the mortgage held in his name. Assuming those are the circumstances, I don't think much could be made of that sale. |
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