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Meaning of an ancient Greek word
Category: Reference, Education and News > General Reference Asked by: amsterdam-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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03 Nov 2005 13:48 PST
Expires: 03 Dec 2005 13:48 PST Question ID: 588580 |
The ancient Greek word ?arsenokoites? is apparently used in the Biblical verse: 1 Timothy 1:9-10 (King James Version) ? Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;? This Greek word has apparently come to be translated as ?homosexual? in other more recent Bible translations. I want to know what the best Greek language scholars say is the correct meaning and context of the Greek word ?arsenokoites? as used in the Christian Bible. |
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Re: Meaning of an ancient Greek word
From: pinkfreud-ga on 03 Nov 2005 14:01 PST |
This article may be of interest: http://www.dtl.org/ethics/article/homosexuals.htm |
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Re: Meaning of an ancient Greek word
From: tutuzdad-ga on 03 Nov 2005 14:26 PST |
The term you are referring to is one of the rarest ancient words, therefore it is one of the lelast understood, etymologically sppeaking: "Arsenokoite* is a word that appears only THREE times in all ancient Greek texts. Here, in a companion list of sins in 1 Timothty 1:10, and by a later Greek Father who was commenting upon 1 Corinthians 6:9. This word appears to be a made up word by Paul who stuck together two other Greek words, ?Arsen? - male and ?Koitos?-sexual intercourse.? As you can see, the term could either then mean ?men who have sex? or ?those men who have sex with men.? BIBLE VERSES http://gendertree.com/Bible%20Verses.htm Clearly this ancient word is one that could have be used in more than one context; meaning either "homosexual" or "promiscuous", depending on the text or perhaps on the opinion of the reader of such text. Does this answer your question as well as possible under the circumstances? tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: Meaning of an ancient Greek word
From: livioflores-ga on 03 Nov 2005 14:59 PST |
Most of the sources agreed with the fact that the original meaning of this word is lost: "I Cor 6:9 Paul lists a many activities that will prevent people from inheriting the Kingdom of God. One has been variously translated as effeminate, homosexuals, or sexual perverts. The original Greek text reads malakoi arsenokoitai. The first word means soft; the meaning of the second word has been lost. It was once used to refer to a male temple prostitute. The early Church interpreted the phrase as referring to people of soft morals; i.e. unethical. From the time of Martin Luther, it was interpreted as referring to masturbation . More recently, it has been translated as referring to homosexuals . Each Translator seem to take whatever activity that their society particularly disapproves of and use it in this verse." "Corinth & Timothy": http://www.geocities.com/rainbowchristian1225/C_and_T.html See also "Homosexuals" in 1Corinthians 6:9 - Article: http://www.dtl.org/ethics/article/homosexuals.htm |
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Re: Meaning of an ancient Greek word
From: amsterdam-ga on 03 Nov 2005 15:30 PST |
wow!! - Thanks so much for your very useful comments - I am so impressed with the researchers on this site - and with this resource that Goggle has offered to all of us. |
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Re: Meaning of an ancient Greek word
From: tutuzdad-ga on 03 Nov 2005 15:36 PST |
Strong?s identifies the word in 1 Timothy 10, as used in the King James Bible, as ?andrapodistes? rather than ?arsenokoites?. This word is also quite rare. It is defined literally as ?manstealer?, (i.e. enslaver; one who steals the slaves of others and sells them). http://www.craigwhite.net/craignew/cosb/0405.htm The New Testament Greek Lexicons I consulted confirm this, defining the word essentially as ?kidnapper?: STUDY LIGHT http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=405 LEKSIKON IBRANI http://www.bit.net.id/SABDA-Web/L/L4a.htm Is this sufficient as an answer? Tutuzdad-ga GOOGLE ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%CE%B1%CC%93%CE%BD%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%80%CE%BF%CE%B4%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%CC%81%CF%82&btnG=Google+Search GOOGLE ://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=andrapodistes |
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Re: Meaning of an ancient Greek word
From: amsterdam-ga on 03 Nov 2005 19:56 PST |
To: tutuzdad-ga I'm confused - are you saying that there are prominent scholars who argue that the word "arsenokoites" is confused with "andrapodistes" |
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Re: Meaning of an ancient Greek word
From: tutuzdad-ga on 04 Nov 2005 06:27 PST |
From the looks of these Lexicon examples, apparently so. tutuzdad-ga |
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