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Subject: Using an inverter with an AC adapter instead of a 12v DC power supply
Category: Computers > Hardware
Asked by: vincimus-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 05 Nov 2005 18:11 PST
Expires: 05 Dec 2005 18:11 PST
Question ID: 589587
I'm headed out of town, and see that the tip to the dc adapter for my
ThinkPad T42 is missing (the silver gizmo on the end, I assume with a
fuse behind it). I don't have time to order a replacement, but I have
a Radio Shack 140 W inverter that converts DC 12.5 to 115 V 60 HZ. Do
you know if I can just plug that in to an aircraft/car power supply
and use my normal AC adapter (4.5A)?
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Subject: Re: Using an inverter with an AC adapter instead of a 12v DC power supply
Answered By: sublime1-ga on 05 Nov 2005 19:57 PST
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
vincimus...

I have a background in electronics from Navy experience, so
I'm speaking with some experience here.

Assuming the Radio Shack inverter is rated at 4.5A or higher,
as well as the AC adapter, there shouldn't be a problem. The
wattage (140) seems high enough to handle the requirements 
of most laptops, though if you can ascertain the wattage
requirement of your specific laptop, and that it is below
140W, it would be safer. You may be able to find the 
specifications on the bottom of your laptop.

The car DC-to-AC adapter recommended for your computer on
this page from AtBatt is a 150W maximum continuous power
with a 300W peak maximum, along with electronic circuit
protection. I would expect that it is rated higher than
the actual requirements of your laptop by a comfortable
margin, making me believe that your 140W inverter will do:
http://www.atbatt.com/product/ItemID/3348.asp

Other products recommended for your Thinkpad T42 can be
found on this page from AtBatt:
http://www.atbatt.com/computer-power-supply/b/IBM/m/ThinkPad_T42.asp

There's always some risk in using a power source that wasn't
designed specifically for use with computers, as they may
not have some of the protections often included in units which
are, such as:

- Low input voltage shut down
- Output over voltage limiting
- Output current limited
- Output "short circuit" shutdown
- Internal over temperature shut down

But if the price of the Radio Shack unit is about the same
as the recommended unit above, and if you can verify that
the wattage requirements for your laptop are below the 
wattage and amp ratings of your inverter, I don't really
foresee any problems. If there's a webpage for your Radio
Shack inverter which provides specifications, or some
documentation that came with it when you bought it, you
can see how they compare with the recommended unit above.

I would personally keep my senses heightened for the 
first half-hour of using it, and be acutely aware of 
abnormal temperatures or electrical and heat odors.
Any sign of overload anywhere, and I would shut it
down. I would also be inclined to limit use with a
car battery to about an hour, so that drainage doesn't
result in too low of an input voltage. I'd also be
reluctant to use the laptop with the engine running.
I'd have a concern that the car's voltage regulator
might not be up to par for computer use, and might 
allow spikes in input voltage which could be risky
for the laptop.

Obviously, I can't tell you I know for a fact that it is
perfectly safe to use the inverter, but if you can find
the specifications for your laptop and the inverter, I
think you'll be able to make a reasonable determination
of the risks.


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sublime1-ga


Searches done, via Google:

watts "laptop power supplies"
://www.google.com/search?q=watts+%22laptop+power+supplies%22

Request for Answer Clarification by vincimus-ga on 06 Nov 2005 10:28 PST
Thanks for your quick response.

Just to clarify, the inverter doesn't seem to have a amps rating, just
115VAC 60HZ and 140 W cont.

The T42 power supply doesn't mention watts, just 16V and 4.5 A. 

A power supply recommnded by IBM  shows 75 W
http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=-840&
 
Anyway, my sense is that I could probably use the inverter, but I'd be
better off trying to find a tip for the DC power supply I have (don't
know quite where) or buying a new one. (I  do have a spare DC adapter
rated at 3.5 A, but it's shrink wrapped on my boat!)

Any final thoughts appreciated...

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 06 Nov 2005 12:42 PST
vincimus...

To respond to your questions:

"Just to clarify, the inverter doesn't seem to have a amps rating, just
115VAC 60HZ and 140 W cont."

Thanks for the feedback. Since it's rated at 140W, and the unit that
was recommended for your laptop on AtBatt is 150W, I'm still inclined
to believe it's safe, given the precautions I mentioned earlier.


"The T42 power supply doesn't mention watts, just 16V and 4.5 A."

"A power supply recommnded by IBM  shows 75 W"

16V x 4.5A = 72W, so that's the same ballpark. And given that
the laptop is probably using less than that at any given time,
the 140W inverter seems to have a comfortable margin, as I 
suggested.


"Anyway, my sense is that I could probably use the inverter, but I'd be
better off trying to find a tip for the DC power supply I have (don't
know quite where) or buying a new one. (I  do have a spare DC adapter
rated at 3.5 A, but it's shrink wrapped on my boat!)"

Latter point first: the adapter with the higher amperage rating
is preferable. Just because the adapter is rated to handle a 
higher amperage doesn't mean it will cause a higher amperage to
be used. The notebook will draw only what current it needs.

As for the tip, it's hard to know for sure without seeing it,
and being able to determine whether it's a unique design that
is proprietary for IBM notebook power supplies, but it sounds
to me like the tip is simply the input jack, and doesn't 
contain a fuse, as you thought it might, and that it simply
broke or fell apart. If it was me, and I thought this might
be a standard jack, I would go to Radio Shack and see if I
could find a replacement jack with a tip that would fit in
the laptop. I would then cut off the old jack from the 
DC adapter and connect the wires to the new one.

It might even be necessary to buy a similar power adapter
in order to get the jack that comes with it. If that were
the case, I would still do the above, using the adapter
that was designed for the laptop, and just using the new
plug or jack.

If this is the type of jack I'm thinking of, there are
two contacts which deliver the voltage. The tip is a
hollow tube, essentially, with a silvery contact on the
outside which is one of the contacts. Inside the tube
is another metal contact, providing the other polarity.

It sounds like the outside silvery contact just broke 
off or fell off of your original jack, and that you 
might be able to replace it with a jack of the same 
size, though, again, I'm not sure how standardized 
these types of jacks are. If you do go that route,
you would need to make sure that the polarity is
correct when you connect the wires to the contacts.
I'm not sure whether the outer contact should be
negative or positive, but it would be critical that
you make this determination before replacing the
jack. Perhaps the staff at Radio Shack can assist
you by examining the wiring and measuring the voltage
and polarity on your old adapter.

You might even find that Radio Shack sells a generic
power adapter rated at 16V. If it was also rated at
4.5Amps or higher, and had the correct jack, you 
could probably use that, though, again, power adapters
designed specifically for your laptop would likely 
include circuit designs to provide a more stable 
voltage.

That's about all I can think to add, but if you have
further questions or comments, feel free to post them.

sublime1-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by vincimus-ga on 06 Nov 2005 14:07 PST
Roger, sublime, that's for all your help!

Clarification of Answer by sublime1-ga on 06 Nov 2005 14:57 PST
Thanks very much for the rating!
vincimus-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars

Comments  
Subject: Re: Using an inverter with an AC adapter instead of a 12v DC power supply
From: dmrmv-ga on 07 Nov 2005 10:08 PST
 
Radio Shack sells DC adapters they say are designed for laptops, or
used to - I bought one about two years ago to run a CD player in my
vehicle. The one I have is fuse-protected, and there is a dial on the
front to change voltage. It also comes with multiple tips, and you can
select the polarity by the orientation of the tip when you connect it
(so be careful). It works fine, and I have since used it for an IBM
laptop.
Subject: Re: Using an inverter with an AC adapter instead of a 12v DC power supply
From: vincimus-ga on 07 Nov 2005 23:02 PST
 
OK, thanks dmrmv, I'll look into it.

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