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What sparked all of the criticism on Bush's Iraq policy all of the sudden?
Category: Reference, Education and News Asked by: mohammed311-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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18 Nov 2005 02:03 PST
Expires: 18 Dec 2005 02:03 PST Question ID: 594602 |
As I see in the news now, Bush is being heavily criticized for the war in Iraq, as if it were something new. What is the true reason that sparked all this criticism? What happened? We were all seeing the people that were getting killed and no body said anything...Did those politicians get all pissed off all of the sudden? Or are the Democrats playing politics like Bush says? What sparked all of this criticism all of the sudden? Thanks, Mohammed, |
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Re: What sparked all of the criticism on Bush's Iraq policy all of the sudden?
From: myoarin-ga on 18 Nov 2005 03:42 PST |
Perhaps it was the reporting about the 2000th US military death in Iraq. It has been noted that in reporting about the Iraq offensive, the government has taken steps to avoid any pictures of bodybags or remains being shipped home or arriving in the States or scenes of officials' honoring the dead. |
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Re: What sparked all of the criticism on Bush's Iraq policy all of the sudden?
From: nelson-ga on 18 Nov 2005 03:49 PST |
All of a sudden? I think not. There had been vocal criticism before the invasion even began. |
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Re: What sparked all of the criticism on Bush's Iraq policy all of the sudden?
From: frde-ga on 18 Nov 2005 04:07 PST |
Probably the Press giving more coverage. Regardless of overt censorship, the Press does go in for self censorship, - partly to protect its position, - partly due to ownership - partly because the press is generally a lot more informed than the general public, and can put things in perspective (for example the use of Phosphor in Faluha sounds disgusting, but it is an effective way of clearing out fox holes, and slightly less dangerous than flamethrowers as used in WWI and WWII) Once things start 'getting out' then the Press is in a difficult position, if it does not report it then it looks stupid There is another aspect, most people with any common sense or sense of history have long realized that Iraq was another Yugoslavia (with added Vietnam flavouring) - after a bit people with less common sense ... start seeing the obvious |
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Re: What sparked all of the criticism on Bush's Iraq policy all of the sudden?
From: jack_of_few_trades-ga on 18 Nov 2005 06:02 PST |
Although 2000 deaths is significant, it pales in comparrison with about any other war. The troop deaths over 2 years has been surprisingly low. Unfortunately the mediat has put so much emphasis on every death that it seems like all that happens is death in Iraq. It is very rare that I hear of the good things happening in Iraq, but it is obvious that good things are happening as well as the bad. Frde, you mention how Iraq is "another Yugoslavia (with added Vietnam flavouring)". The major difference is that about 80% of Iraqis welcome the change in government. The people fighting against the US/Iraqi forces now and all along have been a very small minority of Iraqis and many foreign fighters who are happy to take any shot at Americans that they can. And the major motivation of the insurgents seems to be to cause dissention in the US, and they have been very successful with the help of the media and politicians constantly bashing Bush's actions in Iraq. I have no doubt that mistakes have been made. But I'm 100% certain that many fewer people would be dead now if Americans didn't allow the insurgents rule the way they think. |
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Re: What sparked all of the criticism on Bush's Iraq policy all of the sudden?
From: elids-ga on 18 Nov 2005 07:23 PST |
All of the above plus... People have a tendency to kick you when you are down, the media is no different. There has been mounting opposition for a while over ten thousand dead and maimed, cost of war, lack of progress ect. ect. however, IMO what kickstarted the media in bashing Bush was that the GOP lost the elections in VA and NJ. To make matters worse VA has voted republican for the last 9 out of 10 elections, this last time VA elected Mark Warner a Democrat that INCREASED taxes turned the deficit into a surplus and improved the standing of the state. The candidate there Tim McCain promised to 'stay the course' and well pretty much compared the track record of the Democrats in VA against that of the Republicans in Washington, even though Mr. Bush came to the aid of the republican candidate in VA he still lost. The republicans lost in a republican state.... clearly the tide is turning, patriotism and religion go a long way but apparently Virginia and New Jersey are saying "if you can't govern well enough to keep us out of debt in a growing economy, and can't win a war against a third world country, maybe we need somebody else". The media has cought up with that and well are for now running with it. Soon the US will pull out of Iraq and that will give the president a tremendous boost when he declares 'again' mission accomplished. However, after we do that anarchy will set in and Iraq will be the new 'killing fields' and that will prove to be tremendously unpopular. Folks will realize that we (the president) made a mistake by going in under false pretenses, and made that mistake worse by pulling out prematurely. Elí "He was a great patriot, a humanitarian, and a loyal friend; provided, of course, he really is dead." --Voltaire |
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Re: What sparked all of the criticism on Bush's Iraq policy all of the sudden?
From: elids-ga on 18 Nov 2005 07:58 PST |
ooops that was wrong... very wrong... VA voted Democrat, Republican, Republican, Democrat three times prior and Republican three times before that. How am I to know what I'm gonna say if I haven't heard it yet? |
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Re: What sparked all of the criticism on Bush's Iraq policy all of the sudden?
From: curtvdh-ga on 20 Nov 2005 00:17 PST |
Hmm...a number of coincident events, probably. The 2000th death of a US soldier was possibly one of them. As others have pointed out, this number is remarkably low when compared to other wars. However, I suspect that what irks the press the most is that most of these deaths took place after the President declared 'major operations' in Iraq to be over...in 2003. Then there is the 'I told you so' factor. A number of commentators predicted that the US would face a prolonged and determined insurgency in Iraq - which is precisely what happened. There is a growing sense that the administration ignored warnings from military experts, and decided to press ahead with an ill-conceived and poorly executed plan. Also, I suspect that the recent indictment of a senior White House official is causing some panic in the administration. True, Mr. Libby's charges are really not that serious - but the trial (if it goes ahead) could see both Karl Rove and Dick Cheney facing uncomfortable questions under oath. And since they are not technically on trial, they cannot plead the fifth amendment (I think). Although the trial centers around the leak of a CIA agent, we need to remember that the leak was allegedly in retaliation for Mr. Wilsons criticism of the administration's use (or misuse) of intelligence leading up to the war. If so, that could have serious implications for the administration, up to and including impeachment of both the President and the Vice-President. |
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Re: What sparked all of the criticism on Bush's Iraq policy all of the sudden?
From: frde-ga on 20 Nov 2005 03:42 PST |
@jack_of_few_trades-ga While I'me certain that 80% of Iraqis were quite keen to see the back of Saddam, I've a strong suspicion that there is virtually no consensus on who should be the next government. The place is already turning into a tribal battleground and looks as if it will split into three regimes all of which are getting rather adept at guerilla warfare. It has also had a rather unpleasant effect on the region. |
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