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Proof of the Friars Innocence
Category: Reference, Education and News Asked by: boattaxi-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
18 Nov 2005 10:49 PST
Expires: 30 Nov 2005 08:02 PST Question ID: 594795 |
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Re: Proof of the Friars Innocence
From: pinkfreud-ga on 18 Nov 2005 11:05 PST |
I think you're on shaky ground. Many people who commit wrongful acts think they are doing the right thing. Unless a person is criminally insane, belief that one is doing the right thing isn't a very useful defense in a court of law. To choose an extreme example, Adolf Hitler thought he was doing the right thing. |
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Re: Proof of the Friars Innocence
From: boattaxi-ga on 18 Nov 2005 12:34 PST |
this would be an example: a guy doesnt know that the train bridge is being fixed, so he goes to work and thinks he is doing the right thing by raising and lowering the bridge. what he didn't know and couldn't have known is that the train's were running ten minnutes late or early because a person robbed the train and was in the train conductor booth driving the runaway train. The bridge guy raises the bridge five minutes earlier than is required in the manual because he is a great worked and is trying to be the best bridge raiser in the world, if he wasn't so "above and beyond super worker" than the bridge would have still been down for the hostage train and no body on the train would have been killed. as it is some people are placing the blame on this poor guy for him doing something that he thought was right and some people say "look it was chance that this guy, the above and beyond five minutes early guy happened to be working the same shift that a train was hijacked, sure if he hadn't been five minnutes earlythan the train wouldn't have died but there is no one to blame except the train robbers" |
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Re: Proof of the Friars Innocence
From: myoarin-ga on 19 Nov 2005 07:30 PST |
Boattaxi, I am sympathetic to your R&J argument about Friar Laurence, but much less to that in your comment. My feeling is that Frair L's role is part of the complete tragedy: even his well-meaning actions, each of which seems to support and protect R&J, also go awry, most tragically. As in a classical tragedy - think of Oedipus - despite everything done to avoid the tragic end, the inevitable finally occurs; even the well-meaning persons share responsiblity for the unavoidable. No one is left untouched; the drama is heightened by the hope that a way out has been found, but this is only a fleeting moment, increasing the emotional impact when the audience recognizes that the plan to save R&J is inexorably involved in their tragic end. Friar L is not "guilty"; in a classical tragedy, no one is guilty; they do what they cannot avoid doing. Well, that is my quick interpretation, and I am no expert, and maybe my interpretation does not support yours, and maybe these websites don't either: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy http://www.answers.com/topic/tragedy Good luck, Myoarin |
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Re: Proof of the Friars Innocence
From: myoarin-ga on 19 Nov 2005 08:01 PST |
OH, I got carried away and forgot the question in your last paragraph: a modern example. Some people won't like this example, and if you or your teacher don't, then it is no good, but a lot of people in Europe would accept it: Pres. Bush and the Iraq war. Many see it as Bush jr.'s trying to complete his father's effort there, a well-meant attempt to eliminate a despot and to allow democracy to prevail: all "good and honest and they couldn't have known how other people might react or how that would effect the outcome." The outcome is, of course, still open, but with a glance at Vietnam and the Russians' engagement in Afghanistan, a tragic outcome cannot be ruled out. Include 9/11 as a tragic (very) incident - like Tybalt's killing Mercutio. Well, you don't have to accept it, but I think a good dramatist could make a convincing tragedy of the story. Regards, Myoarin |
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Re: Proof of the Friars Innocence
From: boattaxi-ga on 21 Nov 2005 19:39 PST |
I think instead of going after a political angle I'm more looking for an example in recient history of a specific person who was standing trial in an american court. The similarities don't have to be exact but it would be conveniant if the person on trial would have been aquitted. Adam |
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Re: Proof of the Friars Innocence
From: myoarin-ga on 23 Nov 2005 03:50 PST |
Fair enough: what about "whistle-blowers" in corporate or government organizations? They all felt themselves "to be good and honest ...."(perhaps spiteful, too). I cannot think of any specific examples, but a Google search gets almost 4 million hits. You would have to refine the search to eliminate many sites of a general nature. I expect that there are individual examples that end almost any way you want, from final vindification and reinstatement/rehabilitation to ones who not only lose their job but also their case and end as defeated, broken persons. I like this better, myself. Good luck, Myoarin |
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Re: Proof of the Friars Innocence
From: angy-ga on 23 Nov 2005 04:28 PST |
I've always felt that the point about Friar Laurence is that he is an example of how anyone's best intentions can go horribly wrong - it's not a matter of real guilt or responsibilty, but rather the guilt that goes with not having seen "the big picture". That's why Shakespeare writes in the extra priest who fails to get the message through to Romwo - sheer chance plays a part in the tragedy. And it's not marrying them that's the problem - it's the cover-up afterwards. No-one is truly innocewnt or guilty of the tragedy. |
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