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Things a gentleman should do for his loved one
Category: Relationships and Society > Romance Asked by: thewolf1-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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22 Nov 2005 13:20 PST
Expires: 24 Nov 2005 19:22 PST Question ID: 596393 |
English is not my main language, so please forgive my errors. I'm 26 male and I want to know wich are the main things a gentleman should do for his loved one... I mean hold the door, hold chair when she sits... I remember that my mother told me when I was younger that a man should always walk on the right side of his loved one. Why (she didn't knew herself) and where this come from? I already hold the door & things like that, but I must miss things thus the origin of this question :) |
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Re: Things a gentleman should do for his loved one
From: pinkfreud-ga on 22 Nov 2005 13:25 PST |
I can't speak for all women, but frankly, all the old-fashioned etiquette doesn't mean very much to me. I have had boyfriends who made a show of opening doors and holding chairs, but who dealt out disrespect in subtle ways. My husband isn't a door-opener or a chair-holder most of the time, but he treats me with kindness and dignity, as an equal. That, to me, is worth much more than a passel of traditions. ;-) |
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Re: Things a gentleman should do for his loved one
From: thewolf1-ga on 22 Nov 2005 15:10 PST |
I know, but it's also for my knowledge :) It's always good to know... |
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Re: Things a gentleman should do for his loved one
From: pinkfreud-ga on 22 Nov 2005 15:14 PST |
This may be of interest: http://www.jkaugust.com/whatsnew/ritchimage-12212001.htm |
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Re: Things a gentleman should do for his loved one
From: elids-ga on 22 Nov 2005 15:18 PST |
Some things are just common sense, however, most of what is believe to be good ettiquete is based on very old traditions. Because of that you should keep in mind that traditions are by nature social, for instance; in the west it is generally believe to be bad manners simply burp specially if at the dinner table, in some eastern countries the opposite is true, a loud burp after a satisfying meal is considered a sign of good manners and a compliment to your host/ess culinary abilities. That said, the tradition that you speak of "a man should always walk on the right side of his loved one" is incorrect, in fact doing so could very well mean the exacto opposite of what you intend to convey, good manners. The tradition had it's roots in ancient Rome, the city was cramped (by anybody's standards) and for the most part it lacked a working sewage system (common folks not the upper classes), because of this people had the habbit of simply throwing the dirty used water on out the window of the 3rd, 4th or whatever floor, it was up to the pedestrian down below to keep an eye out for such events and get out of the way if they saw it comming, if they did not a dirty water bath would ensue. Often this waste water was not just water from washing the dishes but human waste and it could contain solids as well. So, if you were walking on the inner side of the sidewalk you were less likely to get splashed by the sewer water comming from above, and as a gesture of manly courtesy the males would walk on the OUTER side of the sidewalk (not on the right of the lady), in this case if somebody was to get an impromptu bath it would be him not her. Not sure if this was a language barrier but you don't 'hold the chair' you are supposed to 'pull the chair out, then as she sits you push it in under her'. Again this is an old tradition, not quite as old as the previous one... centuries ago women wore extremely complex dresses, sitting down while wearing one of them was a rather difficult task, so the man would pull out the chair and push it under the lady moving the dress aside. Although the need for this is no longer there the tradition persists. Some things that are just as old and they may still be useful; The man carries two handkerchiefs, one for himself that he is supposed to keep in his back pocket and one (New and Clean) for the lady, that he is supposed to keep in his jacket, on the inner pocket. The man is supposed to pay for the meal if it is a 'date', although this may not sit well with all females nowadays. One thing one should not do is expect the woman to pay (at least not until after the deed is done... lol just kidding) This is very old and if done properly it can be seen as a courtesy, specially if the woman knows about it. However, it is seldom done. A man is supposed to 'stand up' when a woman enter a room or take his 'hat off' when he first encounters her. Most people don't wear hats anymore, and those that do would have no idea of why would they have to do a stupid thing like that for... The list could go on and on but most of what is good etiquete nowadays is simply courtesy. Some of the things we do in our everyday life most people don't know or care to know why they do it, for instance almost everybody shakes hands but few know why they do. During the dark ages it was a common thing to carry a weapon of some sort, ussually a dagger. When meeting another man in a sign of good will that meant 'I come in pease and mean you no harm' he would extend his open unarmed hand to his potential victim (being as most people are right handed it was expected that you would extend your right hand). The other man would come closer do the same thing and grab his hand, neither could very well kill the other while they were both holding their opponents most dexterous hand. And that is how the hand shake got his start. In the east they never had those problems, so they developed the 'bow' as a sign of respect, originally reserved for nobility but later afforded to everybody. Anyways... |
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Re: Things a gentleman should do for his loved one
From: pinkfreud-ga on 22 Nov 2005 15:21 PST |
There's some useful advice here (scroll down to "the basics of chivalry"): http://www.askmen.com/money/successful/41b_success.html |
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Re: Things a gentleman should do for his loved one
From: myoarin-ga on 22 Nov 2005 18:55 PST |
I agree with all of that, though I learned that in Europe, men walk on the left side of the lady to avoid his sword banging between them - an also practical but much later explanation. The "place of honor" is to the right, now appropriate etiquette in Europe when a senior and junior of either gender are walking together. In the States, it is considered correct for the man to walk on the curb side. Yes, a man should open the door for a lady, but again, in Europe, he should preceed her into a restaurant or bar so that she not appear to be unaccompanied. In elevators, he should remove his hat and women should be allowed to enter first and leave first, if this can be allowed conveniently. The trick these days is to manage the gentlemanly arts without being intrusive, just being in the right position to do them - or not do them if the lady "beats you to the door", for example. Bringing flowers to a hostess always goes well, roses for your beloved - but not for her mother or others (there is a whole code on the meaning of flowers: rosemary for remembrance, etc.). In America, this may be uncommon now, but she will all be the more appreciative, and as a foreigner one can be a little old-fashionedly formal. |
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Re: Things a gentleman should do for his loved one
From: elids-ga on 23 Nov 2005 11:07 PST |
How interesting... these two contradict each other... :-) what's a man supposed to do? lol "a man should open the door for a lady, but again, in Europe, he should preceed her into a restaurant or bar so that she not appear to be unaccompanied." This kinda makes ya wonder... are there any similar 'rules' for women? |
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Re: Things a gentleman should do for his loved one
From: myoarin-ga on 23 Nov 2005 19:01 PST |
Eli, He goes in first and holds the door for her to enter, which also allows him to assure himself that it is an appropriate place to bring her. Maybe I should have mentioned that before. Yeah, those two handkerchiefs: Good idea, not just at weddings and funerals. I learned my lesson when a jr. high teacher suggested that I offer a girl a handkerchief, but I knew that snotty wad in my pocket wasn't the right thing. Cheers, Myoarin |
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