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evolution through natural selection
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: maurocox-ga List Price: $2.00 |
Posted:
24 Nov 2005 06:43 PST
Expires: 24 Dec 2005 06:43 PST Question ID: 597086 |
Does evolution through natural selection produce ?better organisms? in an absolute sense? Are we climbing the ?ladder of nature?? |
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Re: evolution through natural selection
From: frde-ga on 24 Nov 2005 07:16 PST |
Darwin actually said: 'the survival of those most fitted to survive' I am only here because my grandfather had a TB scar on his lung and was deemed unfit for duty in WWI - as it was he did rather well, while his fitter contemporaries were getting slaughtered in the Somme. 'Better' is a relative term - 'Better' for what ? - a lounge lizard is much better at surviving a war - you have probably noticed that rather thick people are 'better' at getting to the top of large bureaucratic organizations Strictly speaking Darwin's theory should be: 'The natural selection of the mutants of the species' |
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Re: evolution through natural selection
From: kottekoe-ga on 24 Nov 2005 10:16 PST |
Interesting question. Certainly evolution produces organisms that are better adapted to their environment, but that environment changes for many reasons including the evolution of other organisms. It is also clear that evolution has led to increasingly sophisticated life forms. Bacteria, after all, are not capable of developing the theory of General Relativity or painting the Mona Lisa. Still, there are very learned scholars of evolution who debate the answer to your question. Most prominent of these was probably the late Stephen Jay Gould who wrote a lot about this topic, arguing vociferously that evolution was not "progressive". Other's like Richard Dawkins have argued equally strongly against Gould's view. |
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Re: evolution through natural selection
From: 1pointsix1-ga on 24 Nov 2005 12:45 PST |
Evolution always heads towards the direction of the most effective way for an organism to survive and reproduce in a particular enviroment. Because the enviroment is dynamic, (either through changes in the enviroment or the acutal organisms travelling to a different location)it is as random as enviormental changes by which it seeks to adapt too. Evolution not through natural selection, but through random mutation also causes "random" variables which can very rarely cause a positive effect (as opposed to a neutral or negative effect) on an organisms fitness in a particular enviroment. |
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Re: evolution through natural selection
From: 1pointsix1-ga on 24 Nov 2005 12:48 PST |
and another note, evolution's goal is not to achieve greater intelligence unless it is neccisary for an organisms survival (in the wild, physical fitness as opposed to mental capability is a much more simplistic goal and in nature the most simple route is the one usually taken) |
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Re: evolution through natural selection
From: dosterschill-ga on 24 Nov 2005 17:17 PST |
(firstly, it must be assumed that all involved in this conversation are of the evolutionary camp...) now, natural selection is first and foremost a passive device, the natural process of the fittest reproducing the most. it is through this device that the fittest disseminate genes amongst a population. dna randomly mutates via various causes like radiation, incorrect dna replication, and so on. occassionally, in fact, quite rarely, these random mutations amount to a better organism (stronger teeth, more resilient skin tone). this new dna, and so the new organism, might be more adept at surviving in its environment, which will allow it to spread its dna even more so. however, in regards to frde-ga's comments on natural selection in modern homo sapien society, one must balk at the alleged parallel. artificial selection is the process of man implementing his own priority in nature's method; clearly this is a much more approriate title. in truly natural structures (free capitalism comes to mind) one can apply darwin's ideology readily, but, in situtations where individuals act with agenda's other than survival and betterment, darwin is surely removed. |
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