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Math Challenge
Category: Science > Math Asked by: lfdeisler-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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25 Nov 2005 07:11 PST
Expires: 25 Dec 2005 07:11 PST Question ID: 597435 |
Two towns, A and B, are located along the Appalachain Trail. At sunrise, Pat begins walking south from A to B along the trail, while simultaneously Dana begins walking north from B to A. Each person walks at a constant speed, and they cross paths at noon. Pat arrives in B at 5pm while Dana reaches A at 11:15pm. When was sunrise? |
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Re: Math Challenge
From: brix24-ga on 25 Nov 2005 16:35 PST |
Let x be the distance from the noon meeting point to A. Let y be the distance from the noon meeting point to B. The rate at which Pat travels is: y/5 The rate at which Dana travels is: x/(11 1/4) = 4x/45 Let t be the time from sunrise to noon in hours. From sunrise to noon, Pat traveled distance x. This distance is his rate of speed times the time from sunrise: x=(y/5)t From sunrise to noon, Dana traveled distance y. This distance is his rate of speed time the time from sunrise: y=4xt/45 Solving these two equations for t: t=5(x/y) t=(45/4)(y/x) The right hand sides both equal t, so 5(x/y)=(45/4)(y/x) Multiplying both sides by (x/y) and by 1/5 gives: (x/y)^2 = 9/4 x/y=3/2 Substituting in the first equation for t gives: t=5(3/2)= 7.5 hours Sunrise is 4:30 am. |
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Re: Math Challenge
From: brix24-ga on 25 Nov 2005 17:34 PST |
OK, I'm conflicted. First, I saw that the question had been locked, perhaps twice. That got me curious about the problem, even though I suspected the question might be a homework problem. Second, I realized that there are three unknowns, at least the way I look at the problem - so, if there is an answer, two of the three unknowns must be in a constant ratio. That made it an interesting problem. Third, this question could have been locked again any time, so I put my solution in as a comment _before_ researching via google. After posting, I googled the phrase "begins walking south from A to B along the trail" and found that this is a homework problem. (What it has to do with calculus, I don't know.) But it's just fun (at least if you are under no pressure to solve the problem) to think about what information is available and what to do when there is no readily available formula. So, in an attempt to redeem myself, here is how I thought about the problem: I drew a line with A and B at both ends and marked a point labeled "noon meeting point." (I generally like to draw something or write down the information given in summary form; I think better about a problem if I get all the information collected in one of these two ways.) Then I labeled one distance x and the other y. The only times given are the times to go from the noon meeting point to opposite ends, so one can get the rates of travel of both Pat and Dana (but in terms of x and y). Then I let t be the time from sunrise to noon. At this point, I swithed to looking at the distances traveled before noon; I had both x and y as distances again but no specific time - no 5 or 11 1/4 hours - but we know that the times to the noon meeting point are equal. After that, I looked for equations with t and found I could solve for the x/y ratio. The key for me was to draw a diagram, then look at the part of the problem with more information (travel after noon), then go back and look at travel before noon. I hope that this might help you for more than this problem. |
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Re: Math Challenge
From: bager-ga on 05 Dec 2005 14:06 PST |
They met at noon 12. After that Pat walked 5 hours Dana walked 11:15 hours ; so the way is 16:15 hours. Pat arrived B at 17 (5pm). 17-16:15=0.45 sunrise was at 00:45 am ( the city should be around Alaska ) :) |
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Re: Math Challenge
From: brix24-ga on 05 Dec 2005 14:31 PST |
I don't think you can just add the hours since the 5 hours was at one rate of speed and the 11.25 hours was at another rate of speed. The two distances covered in the 5 hours and in the 11.5 hours add up to the total distance, but I think you can add the hours only if two distances are covered at the same rate of speed. |
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