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Clindamycin antibiotic concern
Category: Health > Medicine Asked by: msgirl38111-ga List Price: $15.00 |
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05 Dec 2005 08:57 PST
Expires: 04 Jan 2006 08:57 PST Question ID: 601675 |
My 13 yr old son had a staph infection on his leg. He has been taking clindamycin (2-3 days by IV and then orally for 3 weeks). Should he stop due to risk of this deadly colon infection? |
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Re: Clindamycin antibiotic concern
Answered By: welte-ga on 07 Dec 2005 13:49 PST Rated: |
Hi msgirl, and thanks for your question. My condolances to you and your son on what has likely been a rough course in and out of the hospital with this infection. I think I can add some information to help you make an informed decision. As usual, this isn't a substitute for medical advice and direct medical evaluation. As you suggest, there is an increased incidence of Claustridium Difficile infection in patients taking Clindamycin. That being said, there is some risk of C. Diff. overgrowth with most oral antibiotic treatment regimens. This can lead to a gastrointestinal disorder known as pseudomembranous colitis, which can be fatal if untreated. The overall mortality rate of pseudomembranous colitis is 2%. The mortality rate for untreated debilitated or elderly patients is higher, at about 10-20%. Here is the warning for Clindamycin, from rxlist.com: "Pseudomembranous colitis has been reported with nearly all antibacterial agents, including clindamycin, and may range in severity from mild to life-threatening. Therefore, it is important to consider this diagnosis in patients who present with diarrhea subsequent to the administration of antibacterial agents. Because clindamycin therapy has been associated with severe colitis which may end fatally, it should be reserved for serious infections where less toxic antimicrobial agents are inappropriate, as described in the INDICATIONS AND USAGE section. It should not be used in patients with nonbacterial infections such as most upper respiratory tract infections. Treatment with antibacterial agents alters the normal flora of the colon and may permit overgrowth of clostridia. Studies indicate that a toxin produced by Clostridium difficile is one primary cause of "antibiotic-associated colitis". After the diagnosis of pseudomembranous colitis has been established, therapeutic measures should be initiated. Mild cases of pseudomembranous colitis usually respond to drug discontinuation alone. In moderate to severe cases, consideration should be given to management with fluids and electrolytes, protein supplementation, and treatment with an antibacterial drug clinically effective against C. difficile colitis. Diarrhea, colitis, and pseudomembranous colitis have been observed to begin up to several weeks following cessation of therapy with clindamycin." http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/clindam_wcp.htm#W C. Diff. is a bacteria that is part of the normal bowel flora in about 3-5% of adults, but about 50% of infants and young adults. Treatment with various antibiotics kills other normal flora, allowing C. Diff. to overgrow the colon. This bacteria produces a toxin, which is the cause of the effects seen in pseudomembranous colitis. You can find a much more detailed article at eMedicine, if you're interested: http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic2743.htm _____________ On the other side of the problem is your son's severe skin infection. Without question, he needs to remain on some type of antibiotic for the prescribed length of time. If you are concerned, you could ask his doctor if you could switch to another oral antibiotic. There are multiple other antibiotics that might be appropriate. Since he was on Clindamycin, this is unlikely to be one of the more resistant strains of staph infection, but you would have to check with his doctor on this point. You can find a list of possible antibiotics at this eMecidine page that talks about cellulitis (scroll down to near the end of the page): http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic310.htm ______________ I hope this information was helpful. Please feel free to request any clarification prior to rating. Best, -welte-ga | |
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Thank you for your helpful reply. I will review in detail and maybe ask a follow-up question. It's very scary. We believe he must have picked up this MRSA on a visit to the ER a month or so before the staph infection appeared on leg. An infectious disease MD is my neighbor and he sent us directly to hospital. While waiting (and waiting and waiting) I mentioned to desk triage nurse that he was probably spewing Staph germs all over the ER waiting room. She replied "it's all over this hospital, doesn't matter; go sit down." I was aghast. |
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Re: Clindamycin antibiotic concern
From: feldersoft-ga on 05 Dec 2005 09:45 PST |
I'd ask his doctor, but typically a person needs to take the full course of antibiotics. Just because he isn't sick, doesn't mean all the bacteria is gone. If you stop midway, the infection can come back or worse it can be stronger because the bacteria left may be more resistant to the antibiotic. |
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Re: Clindamycin antibiotic concern
From: markvmd-ga on 05 Dec 2005 11:11 PST |
Msgirl, this is a question for the boy's doctor. However, the likelyhood of falling victim to infection from Clostridium difficile is so remote as to be nearly incalculable. Your son is much more at risk from staph infection, which kills upwards of 50,000 per year in the US. There have been 33 deaths from C difficile infection here in 2 years. D'ya see the real danger? |
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Re: Clindamycin antibiotic concern
From: linezolid-ga on 14 Dec 2005 04:03 PST |
I have a couple of comments here. Bear with me, because I will try to bring this all together at the end. 1) A skin or soft-tissue infection is most likely caused by Staphlococcus or Streptococcus species, but may be caused by other bacteria. Staphlococcus aureus is only one possible cause. A wound culture, while helpful, is not definitive, as it may miss the actual pathogen, or may grow out with normal flora of the skin, or both. Thus calling this a "staph" infection is likely an educated guess on the part of the doctor. If your son has had more than one positive blood cultures for a particular pathogen, this makes it much more likely to be the actual bug causing his infection. 2) Staphlococcus bacteria are everywhere. Not just in the hospital. They live on your skin, my skin, and your doctor's skin. 3) Stahplococcus is not the same as MRSA. MRSA is an acronym for methicillin-resistant Staphlococcus aureus, a particularly drug-resistant variant of one particular species of Staphlococcus. 4) The treatment of choice for MRSA is intravenous vancomycin, not clindamycin in any form. If your child had a MRSA infection, clindamycin would likely not be the antibiotic prescribed. (Vancomycin given by mouth, incidently, is not absorbed, and would have no effect on any part of your body outside of your gut.) (Also, despite the similarity in names, vancomycin and clindamycin are not related drugs, and do not have the same method of action or antimicrobial spectrum). Ok, let's try to tie this all together: First of all, I'm very sorry your son is sick, and I'm sorry that you're so scared. I hope he's feeling better. From what you've said about his medical problems, it seems that he has a fairly common condition: cellulitis, or an infection of the soft tissues. These infections happen all the time, and usually do not require antibiotic treatment. Occasionally they do. They are most often caused by Staphlococcus or Streptococcus bacteria. Clindamycin is an appropriate treatment for these and other potentially causative bacteria. If your son had MRSA, he would likely not be getting better with this antibiotic. Don't be too scared: your son's condition is, as I said, not uncommon. You should worry only if he's not getting better -- which could require a different antibiotic, or if he has repeated infections, which could indicate 2 potentially serious problems: 1) some kind of immune-deficiency, or 2) that he (or you, or your husband/wife)is colonized with Staphlococcus aureus: some people harbor this bug in their noses, and spread it around to others. Now as to pseudomembranous colitis: this is a potential problem with all antibiotics, and is the most common cause on a per-patient basis (think plurality, rather than majority). It is unfortunately much more common than Markvmd would indicate. I quote from uptodate.com: "EPIDEMIOLOGY ? C. difficile is the leading cause of nosocomial enteric infection. There are an estimated three million new cases of C. difficile diarrhea and colitis in United States hospitals each year, affecting as many 10 percent of patients hospitalized for more than two days [20]. In contrast, only 20,000 outpatients acquire this infection yearly [21]" But don't stop the antibiotics! As Feldersoft indicates, partial treatment with antibiotics breeds resistant bacteria! Ok. I'm rambling a bit, I've been working all night. But the short version is: keep giving him the medicine. Don't worry too much about the disease or the side effects of the medicine. Learn enough about both to know if he's 1) not getting better, and 2) showing signs of pseudomembranous colitis. Keep in touch with your doctor and bring your son in for follow-up at the end of the antibiotic course, and of course sooner if you have other concerns. Sorry if I rambled. Feel better. |
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Re: Clindamycin antibiotic concern
From: markvmd-ga on 14 Dec 2005 09:13 PST |
Linezolid, I quoted mortality rate, not morbidity, and the data were from 2003. This month, however, articles appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine and Morbidity and Mortality Weekly with newer study results. In an editorial, John G. Bartlett, M.D. and Trish M. Perl, M.D. note that data support the concept that a more virulent strain of C. difficile is causing epidemic disease at selected locations, with a wider distribution than previously identified in the medical literature (New England Journal of Medicine, Vol. 353, No. 23). "There are approximately 3,000,000 cases of antibiotic associated diarrhea per year, of which 15 to 25 percent are caused by C. difficile" (CDC). "Thirty percent of these cases required hospitalization; 15 percent necessitated a visit to the emergency department" (Morbidity and Mortality Weekly, Vol. 54, No. 47, 1201-1205; this specific article, however, addresses non-nosocomial infections so extrapolation may not be valid). "Incidence of disease (has) risen dramatically to 22.5 per 1000 admissions, with a 30-day attributable mortality rate of 6.9 percent" (NEJM, op cit, Vivian G. Loo, M.D. et al.). This translates to a mortality rate of about 1.5 per centum. Certainly this is a rapidly emerging problem-- probably more so than the bird flu our president wants to rabbit on about. The vast majority of C. difficile infections are nosocomial and, even using the higher range of incidences, there are many more deaths annually from staph infections (nosocomial and other) than from C. difficile. It is always important to keep the true problem squarely in your sights. |
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Re: Clindamycin antibiotic concern UPDATE
From: msgirl38111-ga on 27 Dec 2005 19:32 PST |
The replies and comments have been interesting. Thank you to all who commented so thoroughly. Thought I would give update . . . . . 1) My son's infection was categorized as "MRSA." I specifically asked the nurse and the pediatrician. In the hospital he was given two different IV antibiotics at same time (one of which was clindamycin and the other something completely different.) But now I'm wondering if it was really the other IV antibiotic (not clindamycin) that cleared it up. 2) Last week my 16 year old daughter had an ingrown hair in crease of her leg that became red, hot and very sore (hurt to walk). On Thursday Dec 22nd, I took her to the same pediatrician who had treated my son. She called it "staph" and prescribed clindamycin. I did mention the C Diff concern. She discussed for a minute but determined clindamycin was right medicine. The sore wasn't much better in 48 hours so on return visit on Saturday she was given a shot of a "stronger" antibiotic I couldn't quite catch the name of (ren??, I think I would have caught "vancomycin") She was told to resume the clindamycin in 24 hours. The MD pressed quite a bit of infection out of the sore and it was much improved the next day. 3) The culture was due back from the lab on Monday 26th but wasn't available yesterday or even today 27th. I will ask them to compare the lab results for my son and my daughter. MSgirl38111 |
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