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Subject: What vendors of 'community platform' software or services are on the market?
Category: Computers > Software
Asked by: drmatthewdunn-ga
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Posted: 18 Dec 2005 17:32 PST
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Question ID: 607249
The next-generation product my company is creating needs 'community'
tools of various sorts, including signup and login, content and
resource permissions, relationship(s) like buddy lists, block lists,
and other stuff we haven't thought of.  These are problems that have
been solved -many- times--practically every Web business of any scale
has such facilities.  We assume there are vendors who provide these
"community" mechanisms in a software platform.

The question: who are the vendors?

Variables:  do they sell software OR a service (hosted or ASP)
Open source or closed?
Technology platform(s) for their solution?

Our ideal solution would be a community platform built on open source
technologies (Linux, MySQL, LAMP)...AJAX-esque in design...with
(critically) a rich API.

(One example, just to start you hunting, is community.org, which meets
some of these criteria.)

URLs and consistent checklist of criteria for each candidate company appreciated.
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Subject: Re: What vendors of 'community platform' software or services are on the market?
Answered By: hedgie-ga on 12 Jan 2006 17:42 PST
 
Complex sites usually run a CMS -
 Content Management Systems, which automates many mundane tasks required. 

The question #1: Who are the vendors? or Which one to pick?

Here are the few tutorials listing few commercial sites
http://www.techtutorials.info/contentm.html

Commenter gave you truly excellent source of Open Source (OS) info: 
http://www.opensourcecms.com/

To review OS CMSs, do this:
Open the section " Portals (CMS)" on the lef bar  and you will see about 20
systems.
 Testdrive few. You can be an administartor without buying or installing anything.

The OS systems do not have vendors but communities.
 If you look at the forums of the systems above,
 you will get a feel for each community.

If you do not have prior experience with CMS, then that
" trying to administer few" is a first "mandatory step".
 There is a steep learning curve with each and there are subtle
 differences which are  best understood by experience.

 Different CMS's offer almost same gamut of modules (forums, blogs, polls ...),
 being an open software, they do borrow from each other.

Comprehensive list of CMSs, OS and non-OS, is here
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Internet/Site_Management/Content_Management/  


 I will now narrow the search, to the 'best two', rather then cast a wide net.

I do no see much advantage in a commercial system in CMS case:
 Running one  requires experience and software skills (like php). 
 While commercial site provides  handholding, you or your staff will
have to  develop those skills anyway.

So, first decission, to use Open Software CMS, is usually the right one;


Hard question is which one
==========================

Here are few typical experiences:
There are no simple criteria as I will show on comparison of  the
'prize winning mambo'  and
'popular drupal'.

Both support rich sites, sites which look good:
 Drupal
 http://www.mathiastechnology.com/node/view/36
 Mambo
 http://www.mamble.com/

 Joomla is renamed Mambo or a fork of Mambo. Mambo team splitdue to
internal strife:
http://www.mamboportal.com/content/view/2029/2/

 If you strongly prefer OS, you will go with Joomla; if you want
comercial support, you may stick with original Mambo company.
http://www.mambovista.com/index.php?cat=1

Here you see that people who tried bboth differ in their preference:

"I'm now setting up Drupal the enviroment that I should have chosen in the first
place. ... In my experience drupal can do a lot that Joomla and Mambo cant.
http://drupal.org/node/29581
http://www.geeklog.net/article.php/20021206075046330

What do u prefer??? -
"Dropal is quite clean compared to the first two, but it's built in forum module
... I prefer Mambo Open Source. It's the best CMS I've tried; the layout is ...
http://www.buildtolearn.com/classroom-general/ 15229-what-do-u-prefer-2.html

"Is Mambo better than Drupal, TYPO3, WebGUI, and Xaraya? - Mambo ...
You're associated with CMS Wiki, CM Pros, and skyBuilders. ... In this
"comparison" I look Mambo, Drupal, Typo3 and no else...
http://forum.mamboserver.com/showthread.php?t=48420


"Mambo's loss has been Drupal's gain with users now considering Drupal instead
A provider of Mambo components has already moved to Drupal and has posted ...
http://drupal.org/node/30678 - 9k - Cached - Similar pages 

"I think I would prefer to try Drupal/CivicSpace as a full
CMS system and see if it has a wiki component. Compared to Mambo ...
http://lists.evolt.org/archive/ Week-of-Mon-20051114/177774.html

"From Mambo to a Drupal-powered school site in three steps | DrupalED
Syamsul wrote up a three part series on how he discovered Drupal after having
used Mambo, and ended up using it to power his department's site at a school ...
http://www.drupaled.org/node/57


  Enough - lot of that is subjective personal preference and rest
  depends on what you will do with your site.

Some reasons for preferences are subtle:
 If you will do your own modifications or original PHP programming,
you will find that Mambo design present constraints. It is less
general, less logical.
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/15/1212241&tid=169&tid=8


So, in conclusion, this is my recommendation:

1) pick a modern hosting provider,
one who offers automatic installation od PHP scripts
e.g. 
http://www.colorteck.com

2) install drupal

3) start implementing your site
try diffrent modules you may need (forum RSS blog newsflash ..)

4) If you get to a need which is not met, look at the competitors,
Joomla first. You may borow and adapt some module, or you may switch.

After some time, expect few months, you will have an opinion
(like we all who tried that, now have).


If you do not do you php modifications yourself
 then Mambolance can be a good
compromise between OS and commercial product:

"We've designed nearly 40 Mambo websites, visit www.jh-design.com We've also
integrated phpBB to work with the mambo user DB instead of just using a warpper.
www.mambolance.com/projects/1112778131.shtml

 There are several consultant/freelance firms which could make start more smooth
 -... with a Content Management Solution from any of the following:
Drupal, Geeklog, Mambo,
http://216.92.122.128/projects/1807.html

Good luck
Hedgie
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Subject: Re: What vendors of 'community platform' software or services are on the market?
From: philinbrazil-ga on 19 Dec 2005 08:09 PST
 
http://www.opensourcecms.com/

you can try all open source content management systems here.

i host joomla! with hostorama.ch (swiss provider), this offers
functionality akin to fully fledged commercial system.

enjoy.
Subject: Re: What vendors of 'community platform' software or services are on the market?
From: andreasstroberg-ga on 12 Jan 2006 14:30 PST
 
Depending on the demands of the provider and the amount of traffic you
expect I would consider using our community platform, XCAP. It is used
by some of the largest media companies in Europe and is Very stable
and secure.It is a commercial licensee, but It also has alot of neat
features like forums, blogs, internal messages, photo uploads,
personal profiles, guestbooks, support for podcast for the end users,
mobile features and transactions systems. Its all built in java and
runs on apache, mysql and resin. Ill be happy to send you more
information about it if its in your interest.

Best
Andreas

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