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Torque to bend round tubing around a die
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: anotherinquiringmind-ga List Price: $35.00 |
Posted:
18 Dec 2005 19:50 PST
Expires: 17 Jan 2006 19:50 PST Question ID: 607284 |
Im looking for a mathematical equation for determining the torque required to bend a piece of round steel tubing of x outside diameter & y wall thickness around a die of z radius (typical numbers would be 1.5" diameter, 0.95" wall thickness, and a bending die radius of 8" on the centerline of the tubing). Assume the die is rotated around its axial centerline by some torque-producing device, and that the matieral is mild steel. Also assume that there is no wiper die, internal mandrel, and that any friction created my parts sliding past each other is zero. I assume that bending other materials requires knowing only the tensile strength of that particular material. If baseing the formula strictly on these inputs is an over-simlification, please explain as best you can or explain how further variables play a role. Id like some type of answer that will allow me to plug in different tubing sizes, wall thicknbesses, die radius, and materials to arrive and an torque number. Formulas need not arrive at an exact number, but need to factor in appropriate inputs to get a good approximation. |
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Re: Torque to bend round tubing around a die
Answered By: hedgie-ga on 19 Dec 2005 01:43 PST |
dear inquiring mind Trick is to imagine your tube to be a beam with particular crosssection then search for 'beam bending equation' e.g. by SEARCH TERM: cantilever beam bending Here is one of many pages which describe beam bending: http://www.engineersedge.com/beam_bending/beam_bending8.htm The bending of the beam happens to depend on moment of inertia I and E =Modulus of Elasticity. Modulus E is NOT same things as tensile strength, which is "The resistance of a material to a force tending to tear it apart, measured as the maximum tension the material can withstand without tearing" http://www.answers.com/topic/tensile-strength E is the Young?s (tensile) modulus, which measures elastic elongation http://homepages.which.net/~paul.hills/Materials/MaterialsBody.html It remains is to find moment of inertia of your particular tube crosssection. It depends on radiuses d and D: Moment of inertia, round tube = (PI/64)*(D^4 - d^4) http://mnhpva.org/tech/frame_tubes.html Here is a calculated example: http://astro.umsystem.edu/atm/ARCHIVES/FEB95/0146.html Here is a spreadsheet - but please test it before using it. http://www.eaa.org/benefits/sportaviation/ 0305_stucture_wksht_v5.xls and finally a technical overview with derivations and definitions. www.aa.washington.edu/courses/aa332/handout2.pdf Hedgie |
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Re: Torque to bend round tubing around a die
From: canadianhelper-ga on 18 Dec 2005 22:51 PST |
Everything you need seems to be right here: http://www.bendtooling.com/bending_formulas.htm |
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Re: Torque to bend round tubing around a die
From: canadianhelper-ga on 18 Dec 2005 23:15 PST |
Sorry...scratch that....does NOT answer tourque! Doh! |
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Re: Torque to bend round tubing around a die
From: redhoss-ga on 19 Dec 2005 04:33 PST |
I don't know what got hedgie off to the wrong track, but what is posted as the answer has nothing to do with your question (as you probably already know). If you want to ask the question again, maybe someone who is familiar with tube bending/engineering will take a shot at it. I don't think that you got your $35 worth yet. |
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