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Subject:
Real Estate - Hawaii
Category: Business and Money > Finance Asked by: nronronronro-ga List Price: $15.00 |
Posted:
22 Dec 2005 12:24 PST
Expires: 28 Dec 2005 02:21 PST Question ID: 608970 |
Hi There ! I am confused by real estate practices in Hawaii. It appears there are two ways to buy a house: (1) Fee Simple (2) Leasehold Fee simple is the "normal" way people buy real estate---all over the USA. You buy it, you own it. Lock, stock, and barrel. But leasehold appears different. Apparently, a leasehold in Hawaii means you own the house but do not own the land under the house. I guess this system evolved from the days when Hawaii had a king who gave away land to certain royal favorites. That brings up some questions with Hawaiian leasehold: (1) Can you get a normal mortgage given you only own the house and not the land underneath? (2) Do you get a normal tax write-off for mortgage interest given you don't own the whole thing? (3) When your leasehold expires on the underlying land, can the owner of the land simply throw you out on the street and confiscate your house? A 5-star answer would be 1-2 sentences on each of these questions (1 or 2 paragraphs total). Thanks! ron P.S. All comments greatly appreciated ! |
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Subject:
Re: Real Estate - Hawaii
From: myoarin-ga on 22 Dec 2005 17:31 PST |
Hey, this is just a quicky free comment. Here are a couple of sites that seem to discuss the matter: http://www.clarkhawaii.com/faqs.html http://www.osman1.com/leashold.html Good luck, Myoarin |
Subject:
Re: Real Estate - Hawaii
From: markvmd-ga on 22 Dec 2005 18:24 PST |
Many large constructions are leased and your Hawaii properties are very similar. The World Trade Center, Sears Tower, and Empire State Building are all properties that are leased. The World Trade Center's 99 year lease was finalized just two months prior to their destruction. The Empire State Building's lease was drawn up in 1961 and was recently bought from Donald Trump (et al) by Empire State Building Associates, an investor group that holds the master lease which runs through 2076. And the Sears Tower lease was recently purchased by the guy that has the World Trade Center lease. Each almost never hear the lease mentioned-- it is always "the building sold" when it actually is the lease. Look up the Empire State Building's lease to find an interesting problem; it is too cheap! |
Subject:
Re: Real Estate - Hawaii
From: canadianhelper-ga on 22 Dec 2005 22:19 PST |
Being a banker in Canada I will give you my 2 cents (that would be 1.7 American cents)... If a client came to me looking to purchase a home on leased land our stipulaton would be that the lease needs to be have a lenth a minimum of 5 years LONGER than the proposed amortization of the mortgage you are looking for. That way, if you mess up the mortage with my institution, I am still in first position in recovering monies from you before the land owner. And yes, once your lease is up the land owner can kick you off...but would have to pay market value for your home or pay to have it moved...again, this is in Canada. (or agree to fair market lease moving forward and allow you to stay or sell the property to you) |
Subject:
Re: Real Estate - Hawaii
From: canadianhelper-ga on 22 Dec 2005 22:20 PST |
Sorry...one other thing...leasehold is NOT unique to Hawaii. |
Subject:
Re: Real Estate - Hawaii
From: nronronronro-ga on 23 Dec 2005 12:19 PST |
Myoarin, You are The Best! Thank you. ron |
Subject:
Re: Real Estate - Hawaii
From: nronronronro-ga on 23 Dec 2005 12:24 PST |
markvmd, Fascinating! I had no idea. I will definitely check out the Empire State Building story. (Going off on a tangent...I highly recommend the book, Trump Nation. Although Mr. Trump didn't like this unauthorized biography, I thought it captured both sides of his big mou...er...uh...big personality.) Thanks again. ron |
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Re: Real Estate - Hawaii
From: nronronronro-ga on 23 Dec 2005 12:29 PST |
canadianhelper, We like Canadians! I'll never forget your diplomats taking huge personal (safety) risks during the Iranian hostage crisis. You helped the USA when others were pelting us. (Yes...I am that old!) Thanks for taking the time to write. Greatly appreciated! ron |
Subject:
Re: Real Estate - Hawaii
From: myoarin-ga on 23 Dec 2005 13:58 PST |
And thanks back to you, Ron. Thanks is all we commenters get, and often not that. I hope the links help. All the best for the holidays and the New Year, Myoarin |
Subject:
Re: Real Estate - Hawaii
From: g_dana-ga on 27 Dec 2005 08:12 PST |
I am a mortgage lender, so I can answer your question(s). 1. You can get a normal mortgage - but could be conditioned on the expiration of the lease; 2. Interest tax write-off does not change; 3. At the expiration of the lease, there should be documentation regarding existing properties still on the land. |
Subject:
Re: Real Estate - Hawaii
From: nronronronro-ga on 27 Dec 2005 14:06 PST |
g_dana, Thanks a million! I appreciate it! ron |
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