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Elegant Languages
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: gw-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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04 Sep 2002 14:52 PDT
Expires: 04 Oct 2002 14:52 PDT Question ID: 61735 |
Which are the most elegant known languages? By elegant I mean: * not based on ideograms * self-consistent * minimum number of verb conjugation patterns and exceptions * minimum number of non-phonetic spellings * minimum number of borrowed foreign words * minimum number of words with multiple meanings * minimum number of words with same meaning * minimum dependency on diacritical marks * no silly concept of nouns having gender |
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Re: Elegant Languages
Answered By: taxmama-ga on 04 Sep 2002 21:49 PDT Rated: |
All right GW, Perhaps this will work for you. Hungarian. The nouns are neutral. It's not similar to most languages. As a Finno-Ugric language, it's related to Finnish and Estonian. While it does have some words from the latin, and is rapidly picking up English, the language is still pretty much intact. The spelling is phonetic, so it's essentially easy to learn. It uses the same alphebet as English, so it's easy to read. There are two primary accents or diacritial marks. And speaking of elegance, the greeting for 'hello' translates to "I kiss your hand." "Your welcome" is "with my heart." Very gracious and romantic. Best wishes TaxMama-ga | |
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Re: Elegant Languages
From: secret901-ga on 04 Sep 2002 16:31 PDT |
I've heard that the French resist borrowing words from other languages, and many international legal documents are written in French to prevent ambiguities. |
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Re: Elegant Languages
From: scriptor-ga on 04 Sep 2002 16:36 PDT |
Dear gw, I'm afraid I do not understand your concept of elegance. For example, why should nouns having genders be "silly"? Scriptor |
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Re: Elegant Languages
From: mvguy-ga on 04 Sep 2002 16:56 PDT |
To meet those qualifications, an "elegant" language would almost have to be one that's artificially constructed. Esperanto meets most of those requirements, but it's certainly not a language I would call elegant. |
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Re: Elegant Languages
From: knowledge_seeker-ga on 04 Sep 2002 17:01 PDT |
secret901 said -- "..the French resist borrowing words from other languages.." Yes, now. But given that it is a "romance" language, it's nearly ALL borrowed from Latin ... Which perhaps brings us to our answer: LATIN http://www.orbilat.com/Proto-Romance/Proto-Romance.html -K~ |
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Re: Elegant Languages
From: gw-ga on 04 Sep 2002 17:06 PDT |
Scriptor-ga: I consider noun genders (feminine/masculine nouns as in the Latin-based languages) to be "silly" because noun gender is meaningless (why are tables masculine and desks feminine, for example?). No extra information is conveyed by the gender, so it's pointless to memorize which nouns belong to which gender. |
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Re: Elegant Languages
From: tehuti-ga on 04 Sep 2002 18:08 PDT |
I am surprised by the comment that Esperanto is not an elegant language. It is a highly flexible language. I find it possible to express nuances in Esperanto which are not possible in English, although I am a native speaker of English. For example, you can say things like "the night blacks", and be perfectly grammatical. Much wonderful poetry has been written in Esperanto using these possibilities. However, Esperanto does not fit your criteria, because all words have been borrowed from one language or another. The borrowed forms are used to creat word "roots" which, by the addition of endings to signify the part of speech, can be used much more freely than in the original. For a quick description: http://www.esperanto-usa.org/about_eo.html For a free course: http://pacujo.net/esperanto/course/ |
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Re: Elegant Languages
From: pinkfreud-ga on 04 Sep 2002 20:14 PDT |
As a native speaker of English, I used to think that it was "silly" for other languages to ascribe gender to inanimate objects. However, I have heard comments from Europeans to the effect that the "gendrification" of common nouns adds a nuance of meaning which is missing in a language such as English, where all things other than persons and animals are described as "it." Similarly, the heavy use of the subjunctive in languages other than English may seem foolish and unnecessary to some; yet I've heard native speakers of other languages say that they feel the lack of it when they speak English, and feel that their expression is somehow limited. "Elegance" is in the view of the perceiver. I can imagine that an Eskimo might pity me for being afflicted with a language so barren that it has only one word for "snow." |
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Re: Elegant Languages
From: mvguy-ga on 05 Sep 2002 07:03 PDT |
Actually, English has dozens of words for "snow." Here's an interesting article on that subject: http://www.stg.brown.edu/~sjd/mymusings/eskimo.html But you're right about the subjunctive. In Spanish, at least, it does provide nuances that aren't available in English. So does the ability to place descriptive adjectives before or after the nouns they modify. The difference isn't always translatable into English, but it's there. |
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Re: Elegant Languages
From: rolofft-ga on 09 Sep 2002 20:53 PDT |
Modern Turkish is a rather ideal language. Each letter has only one sound. There are no double-letter sounds. Because it is so simple and consistent, once you learn the basic rules, it's hard to mispronounce or mispell a word in Turkish. Irregular verbs and nouns are extremely rare. In fact, Turkish grammar is so sensible, that the grammar of the artificial language, Esperanto, was based on Turkish. Turkish is quite different from English, so it can be difficult for a native English speaker to learn. It features agglutination. There are no articles. There's only one pronoun (that covers he/she/it). But taken by itself, I think Turkish is very elegant. Here's a link to a brief synopsis of the language: http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/t/turkishl.asp ... and a beginner's guide to Turkish: http://www2.egenet.com.tr/mastersj/ |
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