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Subject: physics radioactive decay /half-life
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: guga-ga
List Price: $20.00
Posted: 04 Sep 2002 21:53 PDT
Expires: 04 Oct 2002 21:53 PDT
Question ID: 61830
three rock samples have ratio of number of U(238) atoms to
Pb(208)atoms of .5,1.0,2.0  Ratio R of U(238) to Pb(208) atoms in
terms of lambda is R=(N-sub-0 e raised to negative lambda times
t)/(N-sub-0 minus N-sub-0 e raised to negative lambda times t) a).
solve for t in terms of lambda and R.  b).there is well-known equation
relating lambda to half life T sub one half(what is the well known
equation?) and once the equation is found rewrite the equation for to
above in the form of the well-known equation. c). let R=0.5, R= 1.0,
R=2.0 and evaluated the age of three rocks

Very important I need this by 11:00 Am tomorrow 8/5/02 thanks
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Subject: Re: physics radioactive decay /half-life
Answered By: jenjerina-ga on 05 Sep 2002 00:13 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Hi!

Thanks for your question.

Before I start, I'll define a few symbols to make it easier for you to
read:

No = N sub zero
h = lambda
* = multiplied by
/ = divided by
e(-h*t) = e to the power of lambda multiplied by t
ln = natural log
T1/2 = T sub 1/2


Now for the question:

a) 

rearranging the formula to get a formula for t in terms of h/R

R = No*e(-h*t)/(No-No*e(-h*t))       the original formula

R = No*e(-h*t)/(No(1-e(-h*t))        factorising out No
R = e(-h*t)/(1-e(-h*t))              cancelling No from the top and
bottom of the fraction
R(1-e(-h*t)) = e(-h*t)               rearranging
R - R*e(-h*t) = e(-h*t)              expanding
R = e(-h*t) + R*e(-h*t)              collecting like terms
R = e(-h*t)*(1+R)	             factorising e(-h*t)
R/(1+R) = e(-h*t)	             dividing both sides by (1+R)
e(-h*t) = R/(1+R)	             swapping the sides of the equation
ln(e(-h*t)) = ln(R/(1+R))            take natural log of both sides
-h*t = ln(R/(1+R))		     result of taking the natural log
t = (-1/h)*ln(R/(1+R))		     divide both sides by -h

therefore t in terms of lambda and R is:

t = (-1/h)*ln(R/(1+R))	


b) 

The well known equation relating lambda to half life T sub one half:

T1/2 = ln(2)/h

rearranging the formula found in a) to this form,

t = (-1)*(ln(R/(1+R)))/h		rearranging

noting that in logs, -1*ln(x) = ln(1/x)

so t = (ln((1+R)/R))/h

this is in the same form as the well known equation where R/(1+R) = 2
and t = T1/2.

c)

using our formula in b),

for R = 0.5:

t = ln(3)/h

for R = 1:

t = ln(2)/h        this is the half life!

for R = 2:

t = ln(1.5)/h

h is unknown since to determine lambda, we need the value of the half
life (or another variable)
For this reason I'll leave the answers as they are so it will be
easier for you to read and understand them (I won't substitute values
for ln(2) etc).

Any questions or problems, please request a clarification.


Search strategy:

Used google with the search terms "radioactive" "decay" and "solve for
t"


Useful Links:

Oklahoma State University:
A great site with lots of example problems
http://physics.okstate.edu/kaeding/physics1214/hw14.html

College of William and Mary:
This page shows the relationship between Pb and U in a graphical form.
http://www.wm.edu/CAS/GEOLOGY/geo101/Dating.html

Thanks,

Jenjerina-ga

Request for Answer Clarification by guga-ga on 05 Sep 2002 08:14 PDT
Uranium series have half-lives that are much shorter than half-life of
U(238) (4.5x10^9y). ignore the intervening decays and consider only
the U(238) decay.

If you are interested in making more money I have few more problems,
so let me know.

Clarification of Answer by jenjerina-ga on 05 Sep 2002 17:53 PDT
Hi,

Thanks for your clarification. 

Since the formula we have derived in b) is:
t = (ln((1+R)/R))/h  ----- (1)

and the general formula for the age of a rock is:
t = (ln(1+D/N))/h ---- (2) where:
D = the number of daughter atoms present today and 
N = the number of parents atoms present today
ie, our ratio R = N/D
(for proof of this formula please see the geology page of Bryn Mawr
college:
http://www.brynmawr.edu/Acads/Geo/Geo101/geologic-time.html)

Rearranging (1+D/N) in formula number (2) gives:
(N+D)/N			making one fraction by multiplying 1 by N/N
(N+D)/N   ------ (3)

Substituting R = N/D into the (1+R)/R of formula number (1) gives
(1+(N/D))/(N/D)
(D+N)/N			multiplying top and bottom by D
(N+D)/N			rearranging
(N+D)/N   ------ (4)

ie, formula (4) is the same as formula (3) therefore our formula (1)
is the same as the general formula (2).

Therefore, we can assume that Pb(208) is the stable daughter of
U(238). (Please see the Georgia Perimeter College geology page
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~pgore/geology/geo102/radio.htm for why I
was uncertain that Pb(208) was the stable daughter of U(238). The
website states that Pb(206) is the stable daughter of U(238) and that
Pb(208) is actually the stable daughter of Thorium 232).

So back to the question, since we can assume that Pb(208) is the
stable daughter of U(238) we can just substitue U(238)'s lambda into
formula (1). This is because, the rate of radioactive decay of U(238)
is the same as the rate of increase in Pb(208).

Therefore:

the from the 1/2 life formula
t = (ln(2))/h
h = (ln(2))/t		rearranging
h = (ln(2))/4.5x10^9	substituting U(238) half life of 4.5x10^9y
h = 1.54*10^(-10)	

so for R = 0.5: 
 
t = ln(3)/1.54*10^(-10)
t = 7.13 * 10^9 years		
 
for R = 1: 
 
t = ln(2)/1.54*10^(-10)
t = 4.5 * 10^9 years		    
 
for R = 2: 
 
t = ln(1.5)/h 
t = 2.6 * 10^9 years


Please check my calculations because I did not have a scientific
calculator handy and had to use an online one
http://www.scientificcalculator.com/

I hope this clarifies your answer - if not please re-clarify.

Sure if you have any more different questions feel free to ask 

Cheers,

Jenjerina



Search terms used:

3 Seaches on google:

"intervening decay OR decays radioactive age"

"parent daughter formula decay OR decays age ratio"

"Uranium 238 decay OR decays age ratio lead 208 example"
guga-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars
thank you I checked the answers and they are correct because that the
same answers I have. and the site did help me.

Comments  
Subject: Re: physics radioactive decay /half-life
From: jenjerina-ga on 06 Sep 2002 19:17 PDT
 
Thanks for your kind rating and your good question. I'm glad I could
help. If you have any more radioactive questions and you want me to
answer them, put my name in the subject so I won't miss them! :) Have
a good day.

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