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Subject: travel with captain E.Smithof the titanic in1882-1884england to canada
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: ob-ga
List Price: $15.00
Posted: 08 Sep 2002 18:11 PDT
Expires: 08 Oct 2002 18:11 PDT
Question ID: 62915
captain  smith who was captain of the titanic was working on what ship
in 1882-1884 that would have gone from england to canada?

Request for Question Clarification by leli-ga on 09 Sep 2002 15:16 PDT
Thank-you for your question.

Is there any chance you could be looking for a ship going from England
to a US port?

According to one authoritative website the line Captain Smith was
working for did not, at that time, operate services direct to Canada.

Any details you have about him working on an England-Canada voyage in
the early 1880s might be very helpful.

Thanks

Clarification of Question by ob-ga on 09 Sep 2002 21:33 PDT
my granparents peter  c. cullen and margaret lee cullen sailed to the
usa with captain e. smith but he was not captain of the ship....maybe
co captain or what ever they were called befire they became a
captain....my grand parents may have come with smith directly to the
usa and then went upto canada  to settle in the up of
michigan........i dont think they came though eles isle....it would
have been in 1882-1884 when they came .I would like to find their
names on a passenger list......they were 3class and at night smith
would .     www    u let them up for fresh air...maybe 2class but i
really dont know. thank you so much for your help

Request for Question Clarification by leli-ga on 11 Sep 2002 09:52 PDT
Thanks for the extra information. I was very interested to hear about
Captain Smith's kindness to your grandparents.  One or two websites
mention that he was popular with passengers.
I wanted to let you know that I'm still working on this but it's
getting tough.  I'm down to a shortlist of five likely ships, but
unless I get help from some emails I've sent out, I may not get any
further.  In any case, I will get back to you.
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Subject: Re: travel with captain E.Smithof the titanic in1882-1884england to canada
From: leli-ga on 17 Sep 2002 09:39 PDT
 
Hello again

This comment is just to tell you what I've found out but I'm afraid
it's not a full answer and my list of possibilities has even grown
since my last message to you.

It seems pretty clear that Capt. Smith was working for the White Star
Line from 1880 on. His first job with them was on the 'Celtic' and in
1887 he got his first position as full captain on the same ship.  I
haven't been able to find out if it's likely he would have worked his
way up on that one ship for seven years, or if he would have been
moved from ship to ship to gain experience.

If he was not on the 'Celtic' when your grandparents traveled, he was
probably on one of these other White Star ships which ran the North
Atlantic route in those years:
Adriatic, Baltic, Belgic, Britannic, Gaelic, Germanic, Oceanic or
Republic

These ships mostly went from Liverpool to New York.  This was before
the Ellis Island reception center was operating and immigrants would
have gone through Castle Garden.

People buying tickets in England for New York could book right through
to Canada.  "Passengers are booked to all parts of the States, Canada,
and Newfoundland, Nova Scotia,...... at moderate through rates."  See:

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/whitestar.html

Further information on transatlantic travel with White Star, showing
that you had to choose between 'saloon' (first class) and 'steerage'
(third class):

http://www.mayoff.com/whitestarbrochure.html

A picture of the 'bedrooms' for steerage (3rd class) passengers around
1890:

http://www.oceanliner.com/wscard.htm

This site has a huge amount of well-organised information though not
the crucial detail you want:

http://www.theshipslist.com

The best suggestions I have for you to pursue this question are:

1. Email people who run good websites and share this interesting piece
from your family history with them - hopefully they will want to help
if they have any relevant information.

2. Try your library or bookstore for books on the White Star Line,
e.g.

"The White Star Line", by Paul Louden-Brown, published by Hyperion
(1990)

"History of the White Star Line", by Robin Gardiner, to be published
by Ian Allan later this year.

One note of warning about ship names.  Often a company would rename a
ship as it got older and possibly sell it on. They might then order a
new one to carry the old name. This happened with the 'Celtic'. On
some websites you'll see it says this ship was built in 1901, but this
was a second 'Celtic'. Capt. Smith definitely served on the previous
'Celtic' in at least 1880 and 1887.

Good luck. I wish I could have got the answer for you. I hope you
manage to find out more.

Regards - Leli

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