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What is the difference, real and/or implied, between GUILT and SHAME?
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: jhh-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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17 Sep 2002 17:28 PDT
Expires: 17 Oct 2002 17:28 PDT Question ID: 66202 |
I use SHAME in relation to breaking my own standards, GUILT re breaking standards set by others: right or wrong? |
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Re: What is the difference, real and/or implied, between GUILT and SHAME?
Answered By: taxmama-ga on 17 Sep 2002 18:09 PDT Rated: |
Dear JHH, What an interestingly subtle question. I just had to look it up to see what Webster says. My favorite dog-eared, 1724-page, dictionary, the Webster's New World Dictionary, College Edition (1966)says: "Guilt n. - 1. the act or state of having done a wrong or committed an offense; culpability; legal or ethical. 2. conduct that involves guilt; wrongdoing; crime; sin." "Shame n. - (This has a very long definition. Lots of nuances. I won't include them all here.) 1. a disturbed or painful feeling of guilt, incompetence, indecency, or blameworthiness. 2. a tendency to have feelings of this kind. 3) dishonor; disgrace..." In essence, 'guilt' is more of an external concept. An action or conduct. While 'shame' is more of a feeling (yours or others towards you). So, to go back to your own definition. Shame is what you might feel for being guilty of breaking others' rules or standards. Does this work for you? Best wishes, Your TaxMama-ga |
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Re: What is the difference, real and/or implied, between GUILT and SHAME?
From: grosz-ga on 17 Sep 2002 23:44 PDT |
if you would like a more detailed discussion of this topic, i recommend a book called 'shame and necessity' by bernard williams. he was the professor of an excellent philosophy class that i took at berkeley. i believe that it is in this book that he discusses the nuances of guilt and shame and goes on to argue that shame is a morally superior emotion to guilt. |
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Re: What is the difference, real and/or implied, between GUILT and SHAME?
From: jhh-ga on 18 Sep 2002 06:21 PDT |
I'd never heard the word GUILTY in any context other than a courtroom finding until I moved from my hometown in North Carolina to New York City. I'd very definitely heard "You ought to be ashamed of yourself" which, to me, meant "You KNOW what you did/said was wrong, you know better: now go think about that, think of the harm you did or meant to it." SHAME has served me well over the years. SHAME has heat and is self-generated. I have known/accepted guilt via traffic tickets and the theft of bubblegum at age 12: GUILT has weight and is assigned by others. --- Am I still on a track that keeps me clear to others when I use each word? |
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Re: What is the difference, real and/or implied, between GUILT and SHAME?
From: jhh-ga on 18 Sep 2002 07:18 PDT |
Have just ordered a copy of SHAME & NECESSITY, with thanks to grosz-ga. Greatly looking forward to long-awaited moral superiority. |
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Re: What is the difference, real and/or implied, between GUILT and SHAME?
From: wod-ga on 08 Oct 2002 02:31 PDT |
Shame is when you show something you know you shouldn't. Guilt is when (after actually) you _do_ something you know you shouldn't. :) |
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Re: What is the difference, real and/or implied, between GUILT and SHAME?
From: jhh-ga on 08 Oct 2002 08:12 PDT |
The comment left by wod-ga on 8 October seems unfinished or fuzzy: just don't get the explanation, but appreciate the effort. jhh |
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Re: What is the difference, real and/or implied, between GUILT and SHAME?
From: wod-ga on 19 Oct 2002 05:34 PDT |
Okay let's try this again. Lets assume A is married. In this situation, walking on the street naked, is shame. If he/she picks up anyone, what he feels the next morning is guilt. |
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Re: What is the difference, real and/or implied, between GUILT and SHAME?
From: jhh-ga on 20 Oct 2002 05:58 PDT |
Thanx Wod-ga. |
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