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Subject:
Billing issues- padding,over-billing
Category: Business and Money > Economics Asked by: g_austin-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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23 Sep 2002 09:30 PDT
Expires: 23 Oct 2002 09:30 PDT Question ID: 68080 |
I need four resources for a paper on the issue of padding and/or over-billing. What would be perfect is something that addresses softare development specifically but if it ends up being lawyers or mechanics or whatever that's ok. The perfect sources would contain examples or case studies but this is not critical. I am argueing that hourly billing in industries (like software) are prone to abuse because the manager or client are unable to assess the amount of time the project should actually take. If you can't find that angle then just anything dealing with the negatives of hourly billing will do. |
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Re: Billing issues- padding,over-billing
From: beckyp-ga on 23 Sep 2002 20:41 PDT |
Are you talking about the following scenario? Software Development Company (SDC) contracts with Client to write software to perform a specific task or function. The contract states that SDC will provide these services at $XXX per hour. A dispute arises about the fees charged by SDC. The Client contends that they were over charged by the number of hours actually worked by SDC personnel; i.e., SDC submitted invoices where they overstated the number of hours actually worked by SDC personnel. If the above is what you are looking for, it is going to be difficult to find actual sources. Based on my experience in Silicon Valley, most of these complaints are resolved out of court, and, therefore, not a matter of public record. Most of the time, the issues involving SDCs usually involve failure to perform, i.e., the software doesnt work! For example, look at the recent matter involving Oracle and the State of California. Hopefully, someone else will know of a case on point involving a software company. Otherwise, try calling a few lawyers and accountants, law or accounting firms, bar associations or CPA licensing organizations. You might get lucky. However, there are many cites regarding over / double billing. Usually, this is a basic accounting failure. For example, the billing software doesnt include all of the terms of the contract. Otherwise, you are talking about fraud which is a very difficult matter to prove. Try searching findlaw.com using terms, like: fraud, over-billing, or padding. Your argument: The manager or client is unable to assess the amount of time the project should actually take. The issue is based on the contract. Are they billing X hours times $Y per hour? Or are they billing a flat rate? Or are they billing actual cost, plus Z% for profit. There are a lot of ways to negotiate a service contract, but it usually boils down to one of the above. In my opinion, over-billing, aside from billing software failures, occurs for other reasons. For example, 1. Pressure on service-providers personnel (staff) to be billable. The more billable hours, the greater the profit. Therefore, in a fraudulent situation, the personnel will add billable hours to their time sheet. 2. Pressure on the service-providers management to be profitable. In a fraudulent situation, management will adjust the staffs hours or billing rates or the final bill. (Consider the impact of "value-billing".) 3. Financial needs or greed of the Client. In a fraudulent situation, the Clients representative receives an off-the-books payment or other reward for awarding the contract or approving the payment of the service-providers bill. The above are just a few of my thoughts. Possibly, not hopefully, someone will find good resources for your paper! |
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Re: Billing issues- padding,over-billing
From: g_austin-ga on 23 Sep 2002 21:45 PDT |
You are exactly right about the scenario you proposed. And you are dead-on with your three reasons. First, in full disclosure, I am a Java contractor and have 7 years in the industry. My take on it is this- The difference lies in the type of development. Im talking about outsourced developers that manage day-to-day software development and maintenance for several clients. It is very similar to the way a law firm works. Most of the mini-contracts are done like this CLIENT: Hey can you add x functionality to our system. DEVELOPER Sure, it will be approximately 5 hours of work. at x rate. CLIENT: Great Little do they know it actually took the guy 30 min. to do it. The manager of the developer will go to the ends of the earth defending him because he doesnt know it only took 30 min. either. I think the law analogy is the way to go. The only reason there isnt a huge amount of discussion about this is that the tech industry is so young and most development is done by people who, unlike lawyers, dont have the outright, massive bonus directly proportionate to hours billed. Most of the time no one knows except the developer. I think the factors you raise are dead on but those factors are reactionary, sort of cya move or a move to get you a promotion. When this new, more malicious angle is taken, the developer is usually doing it to get more free time to take on other side contracts or to play games or sleep, whatever. If this happens by enough developers in a company then it can become part of the culture. The place I worked three years ago was like that. I think they have now taken steps to do away with the process after a few of us complained and quit. I think I may change this question to be directed more towards the legal profession because I think the situations are similar and I know there is a ton of articles about getting rid of hourly billing for lawyers. Thanks for your reply! |
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Re: Billing issues- padding,over-billing
From: beckyp-ga on 24 Sep 2002 01:50 PDT |
See my parenthetical comment below: "2. Pressure on the service-providers management to be profitable. In a fraudulent situation, management will adjust the staffs hours or billing rates or the final bill. (Consider the impact of "value-billing".)" The legal and accounting professions often use the "value-billing" method for invoicing. For example, some lawyers have spent oodles of hours developing a "pro-forma" commercial lease agreement. They know that it covers most issues that will arise in negotiations AND it will meet the requirements of local laws and regulations. However, they could not bill the first client for developing the "pro-forma" agreement. Nor could they ever quantify all of their experience into a meaningful billing rate. As a result, it is often easier to quote a fixed rate, based on the value of the services to be performed. The above example applies to the preparation of routine tax returns, financial statements or software code. As a general rule, many professionals are drafting their engagement letters (contracts) to state that it will cost $X to perform a specific service, and add an additional clause that extra work (research, client requests and changes, etc.) will be billed at $Y per hour. Aha! The additional work is the issue! Projects are seldom routine. Just ask Oracle what happened in their project for California. Oracle and California could have avoided their problems if the project had been properly managed, on both sides. That also includes having the terms of the engagement in writing and in great detail, including 'change orders'. I don't think the software industry is at fault for being "young". I think the problem relates to the industry's lack of discipline with respect to the administration of their engagements. If you walk through a project with an accounting, legal, or construction firm, the managers and staff have been trained to watch for problems that will affect their billings and advising their clients of the consequences. In your example, 30 minutes billed out at the EQUIVALENT of 5 hours, is fine as long as there is a written, fixed-fee contract and the actual invoice does not reflect hours times rate. The legal and ethical problem, of course, arises when there is no written contract and the invoice reflects 5 hours of work. I'll be interested to see if you get much on the law firms! PS I've worked with and researched the "time sheets" and billing situation and have utilized the "value-billing" method in a number of industries, including software development. I don't think that there is any way to avoid time sheets. It is a valuable tool for evaluating staff AND clients. I greatly prefer budgeting projects with staff input, having contracts in writing, including "change orders", using the "value-billing" method for routine work and billing by the hour for extra work. |
Subject:
Re: Billing issues- padding,over-billing
From: afl-ga on 02 Nov 2002 10:01 PST |
You wish to do a Google search for "Clifford Chance" Associates Memo Padding It's an interesting story about a recent memo from CC associates who report the need to bill a minimun number of hours each year - about 50 hours per week from memory The actual memo was on the www.ft.com/memo site for a while |
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