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preexistence of souls and the moment of ensoulment
Category: Miscellaneous Asked by: truetruthseeker-ga List Price: $5.00 |
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25 Sep 2002 02:13 PDT
Expires: 25 Oct 2002 02:13 PDT Question ID: 68808 |
In ancinet Jewish literature such as Wisdom of Solomon, Talmud, and rabbinic writings, except the Bible, there is the idea of preexistence of human souls. Some ancient Jews believed that life begin at the moment when a preexistent soul enters the sperm which is sown in the womb of a woman or into the growing fetus, that is "ensoulment". But their vies are variegated. Some believe that the ensoulment happens at the moment of impregnation, while other assign it to differnt moments, e.g., at fortieth or eightieth day of conception, or even later. Some say the soul enters the fetus when it came out from mother's womb. I like to know where did each of these different views come from. It seems these ideas came from Greek philosophers or medical doctors. But can we identify the exact sources or origins, i.e., who and who said this and that, tracing each view with precise documentation rather than in vague and general statement? |
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Re: preexistence of souls and the moment of ensoulment
From: mvguy-ga on 25 Sep 2002 06:53 PDT |
I would just like to point out that the idea of preexistence isn't completely absent from the Bible. In the book of Jeremiah, Jeremiah is told that God knew him before he was formed in the womb, and there are also passages in Job and Ecclesiastes that faintly suggest some sort of preexistence. It's an interesting question that was asked here; I'll be curious to see what some researcher comes up with. |
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Re: preexistence of souls and the moment of ensoulment
From: tehuti-ga on 25 Sep 2002 08:27 PDT |
The Greeks got many of their ideas from Egypt, and in fact Herodotus wrote "the Egyptians were the first to assert the immortality of the soul, and that it passes on the death of the body into another animal; and that when it has gone the round of all forms of life on land, in water, and in air, then it once more enters a human body born for it; and this cycle of the soul takes place in three thousand years". Certainly, the Egyptians believed that the ba and ka left the physical body after death, so it is possible they also defined a specific moment when the ba and ka entered the body. However, I have no proof of this. If you extend your enquiries to the transmigration of souls, you will need to look at Hindu ideas on this question as well. I think this could be a huge area of research. |
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Re: preexistence of souls and the moment of ensoulment
From: truetruthseeker-ga on 25 Sep 2002 13:15 PDT |
Some arugue that the idea of preexistence of souls should be differentiated from the idea of God's "foreknowledge" of future human beings. In the latter case, the soul of a person was not preexistent but only his or her "name" existed in God's mind. Besides, we also neeed to consider the nature of the biblical authors' language. Is it merely a poetic expression or integral belief of the authors? The question is: Could these biblical authors know the idea of preexistence, which is different from the idea of transmigration of souls entertained by Egyptians, Pythagoras, and Hindus? Where did the biblical authors learn the idea of souls' preexistence? The authors of Job and Eccllesiastes may have been exposed to foreign influences. But what exactly were theses influences? The rabbis afterward believed that when God created the world he also created all souls and stored them in a storehouse. When the time is full for a person to become incarnate, he commands that soul to enter into a sperm and causes the sperm to be sown in a woman's womb (cf. Midrash Tanhuma Pekude 3). This idea could be very late, perhaps after 200 C.E. I like to find out the origin of this idea. I wonder perhaps Helllenistic medical thoughts played a role here. However, I am not familar with this field. Aristotle seems to think that the embryo inherits vegetable and animal souls from the (male) parent throuhg his sperm, while the rational soul is ensouled from outside at a later stage of fetal development. But I am not sure about this. |
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