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Metal material properties
Category: Science > Physics Asked by: macman_84-ga List Price: $25.00 |
Posted:
26 Feb 2006 00:36 PST
Expires: 09 Mar 2006 19:09 PST Question ID: 701069 |
I want to use a 4" OD square aluminum beam where the outside pressure is about 6000psi. I would like to keep the wall thickness of the beam no greater then .5" preferably even .25" or less. How do I figure out which grade of aluminum: (ie: 6061-T6, 6063-T52) i need in order to do this and can you show me the step by step solution for solving this so i know how to modify the problem if a requirement changes. (I have only minor amounts of knowledge in this area so I would appreciate an understandable explination). Thank You. |
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Re: Metal material properties
From: redhoss-ga on 26 Feb 2006 08:21 PST |
Wow, this is a very interesting question. I hope that someone can answer because I would like to see the derivation of the equation. Are you using the square tube as a rod in a hydraulic cylinder. |
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Re: Metal material properties
From: macman_84-ga on 26 Feb 2006 10:49 PST |
Actually i am designing an underwater device that would work at 4,000 meters which is about 6000psi and i cant find the appropriate equations to figure out what grade or thickness aluminum i would need to do this. |
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Re: Metal material properties
From: quantummechanique-ga on 26 Feb 2006 12:17 PST |
Does it have to be made of aluminum? There is one material that could suit much better. Visit www.liquidmetal.com. They might even give you an answer how it suits your purpose if you use liquidmetal. |
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Re: Metal material properties
From: macman_84-ga on 26 Feb 2006 13:23 PST |
Well it doesnt have to be aluminum but I need this to be both inexpensive and semi lightweight |
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Re: Metal material properties
From: myoarin-ga on 26 Feb 2006 14:12 PST |
Can't you counter the problem of 6000 psi by allowing water to enter the beam? |
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Re: Metal material properties
From: macman_84-ga on 26 Feb 2006 14:42 PST |
Nope... I need the tube to be sealed to both help compensate for its weight by displacing the water and to protect parts inside it that need to stay dry. |
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Re: Metal material properties
From: redhoss-ga on 26 Feb 2006 20:32 PST |
You could take myoarin's idea one step further and use pressure compensation to equalize pressure inside and out. |
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Re: Metal material properties
From: macman_84-ga on 26 Feb 2006 21:14 PST |
wont work at that high of a pressure... in order to do that i would have that air stored somewhere that is already compressed and with enough volume to make both it and the inside of the beam 6000psi. I would also have to have a way to change the pressure based on the outside pressure since its variable up to 6000psi. keep in mind that air is compressible and water is not. |
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Re: Metal material properties
From: myoarin-ga on 27 Feb 2006 02:02 PST |
With all respect for your work to date and your much greater understanding of your problem and materials, but isn't a square beam less resistant to pressure than a round one, and isn't aluminum a rather weak metal for the task? (especially if you have to seal any openings for access to the parts inside) I thought aluminum would be more expensive than steel, but you seem to have a weight problem, which, of course, rather surprises me when thinking about a deep sea underwater device. |
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Re: Metal material properties
From: redhoss-ga on 27 Feb 2006 06:48 PST |
Pressure compensation is used in oil field drill bits to keep drilling fluids (high pressure) from entering the bearings. What you do is allow communication between the two fluids using a sealed piston. I was supposing that when you said you wanted to keep the parts inside dry, you meant to exclude the salt water and that the medium inside didn't have to be air. Could it be an incompressible fluid with good dielectric properties. |
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Re: Metal material properties
From: macman_84-ga on 27 Feb 2006 07:24 PST |
For reasons i cant get into it does need to be a square tube despite the improved resiliance of a cylindrical one. The weight issue is because the entire device will need to be neutrally bouyant and size as well as cost are both an issue. There were many other designs for this device and the reason i need help with this calculation is because I need to asses how feasible this design is. Keep in mind this tube is not the entire device, the full device is allot larger and more elaborate. Also for other reasons including a part that would have to go inside the medium has to be air. I have already considered using a non-conductive liquid however the equipment wont work in that, i am using that liquid in other parts of this device. |
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