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caste system vs. constitutional democracy
Category: Relationships and Society Asked by: gubernacullum-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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07 Mar 2006 22:59 PST
Expires: 06 Apr 2006 23:59 PDT Question ID: 704814 |
can the caste system remain viable under a modern constitutional liberal democracy? |
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Re: caste system vs. constitutional democracy
From: cynthia-ga on 08 Mar 2006 00:43 PST |
I don't see how. Democracy is based on equality for all, or at least the illusion of same --even if [in fact] we struggle with it every day. |
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Re: caste system vs. constitutional democracy
From: myoarin-ga on 08 Mar 2006 03:56 PST |
An interesting question. http://www.indianchild.com/caste_system_in_india.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_caste_system It is worth noting that the Indian government recognizes the caste system insofar as it takes steps to integrate the "untouchables" - delits, now more often referred to by Gandhi's expression: Harijans = people of God. The discussion in the first site explains that the system is becoming looser, although it is still followed in private life to some extent. Democracy - one person, one vote - does not have to eliminate social and religious distinctions and stratification, but it tends to, I believe. Being on the "inside", one often is unaware of such. Forty years ago in Europe, religious mixed marriages were the exception, and peopled married within their own class (but, of course, the chance of meeting someone from another class socially was limited). I expect that education (as in India) is probably a stronger influence than the government directly, but, again of course, the public educational system is the result of government policies (so the better-offs and old names try to send their children to elite schools). Just a few thoughts on the subject. |
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Re: caste system vs. constitutional democracy
From: geof-ga on 08 Mar 2006 10:34 PST |
I don't think that the "one person, one vote" kind of democracy by itself does or could do much to end social hierachies such as the caste system, especially if the more privileged classes or castes are in the majority. Indeed, it could be argued that western-type democracy, with governments changing every 4 or 5 years, and electorates sensitive to any increase in taxation and/or reduction in their standard of living (in favour of the less well off), is resulting in the maintenance of an underclass rather than its elimination. |
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Re: caste system vs. constitutional democracy
From: drhouse19-ga on 09 Mar 2006 08:35 PST |
Long-run, probably not. Democracy, in its extreme conception, equalizes the political power of each individual. While "social power" or something like it does not necessarily have to be correlated with politcal power, it is unlikely the social institution of a caste system could withstand a lengthy experience with one-person-one-vote democracy. A few instances of a close election coming down to the votes of the lowest caste, and the consequent pandering to those people would put significant pressure on the institution. My best guess - 2 or 3 generations, tops. -dhouse |
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Re: caste system vs. constitutional democracy
From: scribe-ga on 09 Mar 2006 11:09 PST |
the United States had a caste system until the emancipation of the slaves. The Civil War was fought because the existence of the Peculiar Insitution was in fact not compatible with the constitutional liberal democracy created by the founding fathers, who were reluctant, however, to take on the whole divisive question while trying to maintain a united front against the British. As for India, the caste system has survived..though perhaps a bit weakened...more than half a century of liberal democracy. Maybe it is so woven into the wrap and wook of Indian culture and Hindu thought that it will always survive in some form, despite the fact that one would except the huge majority of lower-caste Indians to get rid of it. |
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Re: caste system vs. constitutional democracy
From: halfwinter-ga on 21 Mar 2006 04:20 PST |
depends how your "castes" are organized. If its based purely on wealth or religion you have a problem, because typically someones financial status or religion is voting FOR them rather than the other way around (if your poor your not going to vote for that huge tax cut for big buisnesses are you?). If you organized "castes" based on job, and in turn skill set you could actually develop a very strong democracy: each caste could vote directly (rather than representatively) on topics that effected them or for which they had expertise. The government could in turn interpret the census of the people to reach conclusions on the topic. For example: regarding decisions of health and welfare the votes of doctors and nurses are strongly considered. If it turn is projected to effect everyone than the entire populace votes while the first group casts double ballots: one as a citizen a second as an expert. If the labourer class is the only one effected only they (and experts) vote etc. Highly educated people would then possess more decisive power, as they would have precident to cast more votes on individual topics for which they had knowledge. While the masses would still have the ability to represent themselves in every decision that concerned the country as a whole. I'll believe in equality when I see people being given equal opportunity, equal education, and being born with equal fitness. |
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Re: caste system vs. constitutional democracy
From: brvask-ga on 12 May 2006 01:49 PDT |
The sad thing is ... that it does. The caste system remains viable in India. Would it remain viable in the long term - probably not. The situation has already substantially improved. But is this due to democracy: while democracy definitely played a huge role, the improved economy was a contributory factor. Affirmative action in the form of reserved seats and positions in university and industry helped. The fact that what are regarded as the backward castes are the over-whelmingly larger part of the population too, played its role. The exposure to and integration with the international community must have had some effect It is now nearly 60 years since India became a democracy. Have things happened fast enough? Certainly not. But then, may be a tradition that's been around for 3000 to 4000 years is not going to go away in a hurry. Especially when it has relegious sanction |
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