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Magnification of Low-Level Light
Category: Science > Instruments and Methods Asked by: ocoeeriver-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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09 Mar 2006 12:33 PST
Expires: 08 Apr 2006 13:33 PDT Question ID: 705451 |
We know that one can use a magnifying glass to focus sunlight and start a fire. But can one use a magnifying glass (or maybe even multiple magnifying glasses) to take, say, LED light or a light bulb's glow and start a fire? That is, does the heat of the beam of light depend on the source or on the magnification being used? Thanks. |
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Re: Magnification of Low-Level Light
From: myoarin-ga on 09 Mar 2006 14:15 PST |
It isn't the visible light but rather the heat from the sun that is concentrated by a magnifying glass to start a fire. Not many - if any - man-made lights produce enough heat to do this. LEDs are not hot and never will. |
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Re: Magnification of Low-Level Light
From: kottekoe-ga on 09 Mar 2006 21:51 PST |
Myoarin, that's not true. Heat is just moving particles, you can't focus it with a lens. The hot surface of the sun produces light. The magnifying glass concentrates the light. The peak of the spectrum is in visible wavelenghts. When light of any wavelength is absorbed, it heats up the absorber. The sun's radiation is close to an ideal thermal spectrum (so called Black Body radiation) that any black object of the same surface temperature would produce. The best you can do with a lens is to heat something up to the same temperature as the sun's surface (ignoring small corrections related to the index of refraction). This is an upper limit. Any practical lens will do worse. With an incandescent light bulb, you could in principle focus the filament to produce a temperature equal to the filament's temperature. Not as hot as the sun, but hot enough to burn paper. An LED or laser is a different story since the spectrum is highly non-thermal. In general the light can be concentrated much better than that from an incandescent source and, with a bright enough LED or laser, you can start something on fire. |
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Re: Magnification of Low-Level Light
From: myoarin-ga on 10 Mar 2006 02:16 PST |
Kottekoe is right, of course. Sorry. :-) |
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OK, then, that being the case...
From: ocoeeriver-ga on 21 Mar 2006 09:33 PST |
It would seem to me that we could magnify the light from lightbulbs to such a degree to create steam...to turn steam turbines, etc. I mean, if you have ONE lightbulb and magnify it, then magnify THAT, and so on, wouldn't at some point you have enough heat energy to create steam...and perhaps enough power from that to MORE than power the light bulb? Yes, that smacks of perpetual motion. But, hey, I'm just wondering.... |
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Re: Magnification of Low-Level Light
From: myoarin-ga on 21 Mar 2006 16:51 PST |
You are right that it sounds like perpetual motion. It won't work. Creating light with an incandescent bulb is inefficient. There are better attempts at perpetual motion. |
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Re: Magnification of Low-Level Light
From: kottekoe-ga on 21 Mar 2006 20:02 PST |
Myoarin is correct. You can work this all out with optical theory and find that you cannot focus the light to produce a temperature greater than that of the filament, that it does no good to focus more than once, and so on. But it is easier to just invoke conservation of energy and skip the detailed analysis. All the scientific and engineering laws obey the principle of conservation of energy. That is why we know without further analysis that a perpetual motion machine can never work if there is ANY source of energy loss. |
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