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Subject:
Lake expert / on ice movement in fresh water lake
Category: Science > Earth Sciences Asked by: jte-ga List Price: $25.00 |
Posted:
13 Mar 2006 14:08 PST
Expires: 12 Apr 2006 15:08 PDT Question ID: 706884 |
I am searching for expert opinion (possible witness). I have home on Lake Minnetonka in Orono, Minnesota. Last year I constructed a permanent dock structure (two 40 X 20 slips, pier style piling 10" diameter). This past winter I had damage do to ice movement on the lake. I was not provided a permitted to de-ice (using a bubbler) do a new moratorium on the lake by the Lake Minnetonka Conservatory District. My neighbor (within 20ft of my dock) was grandfathered a permit he de-iced which opened water around my pilings/dock which allowed the ice to move toward shore damaging my dock. With that crib tic explanation I am searching for expert opinion that the ice movement was due to neighbor over de-ice. |
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Re: Lake expert / on ice movement in fresh water lake
From: qed100-ga on 14 Mar 2006 12:29 PST |
Hello, By what you've provided it's provisionally "plausible" that broken ice from your neighbor collided with your dock and damaged it. But without much greater detail I think it'd be a stretch to expect anyone on Google Answers to expertly support your assertion. Here's something you could do: Survey other homes along the shoreline. Ask for anecdotes from owners pertaining to property damage due to broken ice. If you can demonstrate a strong relationship between broken ice and property damage, then you may be able to at least have your neighbor's de-icing permit revoked in the future. As for the existing damage, I don't see how it would be your neighbor's legal responsibility, as long as the permit was granted legally. In fact, if broken ice is a liability along your lake, then how is it that the spring thaw doesn't wreak havoc on a yearly basis? Why hold your neighbor responsible for something that Nature itself will impose with the changing of the seasons? |
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Re: Lake expert / on ice movement in fresh water lake
From: eviljeff-ga on 16 Apr 2006 14:27 PDT |
I grew up on the shores of the Duluth Harbor and spent many years watching the movemnts of the ice and the way that the ice behaves. When you have ice all the way up to a piling it will move that piling with the force of a train. It was irrelevant as to whether your neighbor was de-iced or not, either way if the ice felt like moving it was going to move, and there was nothing that was going to stop it. I have been standing on the ice of the Duluth Harbor when as a result of temperature expansion the ice decided that it had to be 18" to further south-east than it was. The force of the ice suddenly shifting threw me to the ground, shot rocks along the shore line into the air, and knocked pictures, ect. off walls in teh houses along shore. The only way that your neighbors deicing would have any effect on ice damage to the piling of your dock would be if ALL of your neighbors were de-icing with the only stress point remaining for the ice to work on being your dock. I hope that this answer is helpful. |
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