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Jedi Jediism Religion
Category: Relationships and Society Asked by: johnnytexas-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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14 Mar 2006 01:35 PST
Expires: 13 Apr 2006 02:35 PDT Question ID: 707068 |
How can Google answers say that Jediism is a fake religion? Really? What about Temple Of The Jedi Order, a non-profit religious Texas corporation; web ministry http://TempleOfTheJediOrder.org ? After you read every post at the site and verify the voluntary registration with the State of Texas at http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/Index.html pleae tell me if Jedi Jediism is a fake religion. Br. John Henry Phelan OSB+ |
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Re: Jedi Jediism Religion
Answered By: politicalguru-ga on 16 Mar 2006 11:30 PST |
Dear Mr. Phelan, As Mayoarin, the commentator, has said, anyone can comment on Google Answers, not just "Google Answers Researchers", and these comments do not represent any "Google Answers policy". Moreover, even us - the Google Answers Researchers - are not Google employees (but independent contractors), working for peanuts (in this case, $1.5...). We don't represent Google, and in fact, are not to answer questions pertaining to Google policies. So, Nelson-ga, the commentator on "Converting to Jedi Religion" (<http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=591742>), has expressed his opinion, and actually based it upon a source he has found on the Internet (Wikipedia). The issue of "what consists of a religion" is a bit too wide to be referred to in such a short $2 answer. There are several definitions of "religion", going from legal to sociological definitions. Your question is not elementary at all in this context, because there have been cases in the past of groups that have disputed the governmental definitions regarding religion. Laurence R. Iannaccone defines religion as "any shared set of beliefs, activities, and institutions premised upon faith in supernatural forces". Does a genuine belief in Jedi knights and activities/churches apply here as a religion? It is not so clear with many new religions. Many adversaries of Scientology, for example, point out that it began as a therapeutic movement, and applied for a status as a "religion" in order to enjoy tax exemptions. Scientoogy itself was involved in a long legal battle with the IRS, to prove that it is a religion (ended in 1993, when the IRS decided to recognise Scientology as a religion). Needless to say, Jedi religion is not recognised by the IRS as a religion, with all consequences. See: Rotten.com - Scientology http://www.rotten.com/library/religion/scientology/ On the other hand, here you have a group that is led by a guru. They believe, that if they meditate hard enough, they will influence the environment and the politics in the countries where they live. In their meditation they chant sanscrit words. But they claim they are not a religion - and like Scientology, the Transcendental Meditation movement was willing to go to court to prove that they are not a religion, so they'll have access to schools, despite the First Amendment. See: U.S. Court of Appeals Rules Against TM Movement <http://www.dci.dk/en/?article=285> What do I think? As long as you don't disturb anyone, do what you want. (Note regarding this: Two hurt in mock light sabre duel <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/4575291.stm>) It seems that the Church started as a joke in Australia. But if you want to believe in Jedism, go for it (alongside Zen Catholicism and anything else that goes. You sound like a very interesting person). Hubbard was also a Science Fiction writer, before he formed his religion. I hope this answers your question. Please contact me if you need any clarification on this answer before you rate it. |
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Re: Jedi Jediism Religion
From: myoarin-ga on 14 Mar 2006 18:43 PST |
First, Google Answers didn't say Jedism is a fake religion, since it doesn't have any opinion of its own. Anyone may post comments here. Second, I didn't see anything on those websites that verified that Texas recognizes it as such. One requirement seems to be holding regular services that are open to the public. There are all sorts of non-profit organizations. Of course, you may believe whatever you and others wish. "'Jedis' and the 2001 Census "Demographers do not often grab the headlines, but many people remember the UK 2001 Census because of the 404,000 people who answered 'Jedi' on the new question on religion. In Brighton & Hove, more people (2.6%) said they were Jedi than any other 'religious' group except Christians. Officially, according to the Census figures, more than 7 out of every 1,000 British people are 'Jedi by religion'. A closer look at the geographical distribution of these people, however, shows a clear correlation with university towns. This may have something to do with the fact that the ?Jedi campaign? originated as a hoax email encouraging people to write in a false response." A question of my own: John, what does the "OSB" stand for? I know the abreviation as that of the Order of Saint Benedict. Regards, Myoarin |
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Re: Jedi Jediism Religion
From: horse30-ga on 15 Mar 2006 10:21 PST |
how does jediism affect your character and why aren't you changed by it also i don't think God believes in jedi |
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Re: Jedi Jediism Religion
From: johnnytexas-ga on 17 Mar 2006 10:55 PST |
Thanks a million for clearing this up. Religion is, besides a belief system, also a way of life and / or a community of like minded folks. Jedi, or Jediism, is just a new name for some old, old, religions. It's easier to get the kids to watch Star Wars than it is to try and make them study and read some ... well ... pretty boreing stuff. The Temple does issue a Mininsters License similar to the way of the Universal Life Church; so the person who wanted to be a Minister of the Force or a card carrying member of the Jedi Religion does have a place to go to. May The Force Be With You All, Peace! Br. John Henry Phelan http://JohnPhelan.com http://TempleOfTheJediOrder.org |
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Re: Jedi Jediism Religion: OSB; Who is Br. John OSB+?
From: johnnytexas-ga on 17 Mar 2006 11:07 PST |
I apologize for leaving out the answer to the question of what OSB stands for; it does stand for the Order of St. Benedict and NOT for old son of a ... never mind. I guess I'm what ole' St. Benedict would call me a Sarabaite; I take that as a compliment. The variety of religious experience and the power of myth have always fascinated me. There is a human instinct for religion; even if it is to try to deny it; that only succeeds in affirming it. MTFBWY, Br. John http://JohnPhelan.com |
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Re: Jedi Jediism Religion
From: snoogums-ga on 22 Mar 2006 14:55 PST |
A true Jedi would not need other people to believe in Jediism in order for it to be considered a religion. Therefore, Jediism is not a religion, it is a way of life based on an idividuals beliefs regarding the Universe/Reality. This is only my opinion. You can say whatever you want too- as long as you claim it as an opinion and not fact. Am i right or am I right? |
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Re: Jedi Jediism Religion
From: johnnytexas-ga on 26 Mar 2006 15:05 PST |
?A true Jedi would not need other people to believe in Jediism in order for it to be considered a religion. Therefore, Jediism is not a religion, it is a way of life based on an idividuals [sic] beliefs regarding the Universe/Reality. This is only my opinion. You can say whatever you want too- as long as you claim it as an opinion and not fact. Am i right or am I right?? -- snoogums-ga I do not believe that Joseph Smith received gold tablets from an angel but Mormon?s do. I do believe that Mormon?s believe it and my lack of believe does not make it not a religion. You say what a true Jedi would do but then deny that there are real Jedi so I have no way of answering this inherent contradiction. How could a true Jedi do anything if there are not true Jedi? There are many folks who do believe in Jediism. One definition of religion is ?a way of life?. You have, by your own arguments, proved your statement to be false. I claim The Temple Of The Jedi Order is a real Church and Religion. I do claim it as a fact, not an opinion. ?I didn't see anything on those websites [http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/Index.html] that verified that Texas recognizes it [the Temple Of The Jedi Order] as such [as a religion]. One requirement seems to be holding regular services that are open to the public.? -- myoarin-ga This ?requirement? is one of the fourteen suggestions, or questions, published by the IRS so as to help determine what constitutes a legitimate Church for tax exempt purposes. It is not an absolute list of requirements. There never could be an absolute checklist; this would violate the First Amendment. In The Universal Life Church, Inc. vs. United States 372 F. Supp, 770, 776 (E.D. Cal 1974) the court held that: "Neither this Court, nor any branch of this Government, will consider the merits or fallacies of a religion, nor will the Court compare the beliefs, dogmas, and practices of a newly organized religion with those of an older, more established religion, nor will the Court praise or condemn a religion, however excellent or fanatical or preposterous it may seem. Were the Court to do so, it would impinge upon the guarantee of the First Amendment." It is not necessary that a Church be able to say yes to all the questions. I can think of three religions that do not hold regular services open to the public, Scientology, Amish, and the Mormons (in their Temple anyway). There are also many secret religious societies that never hold services open to non-members. Nonetheless, we do hold regular services open to the public. That?s the miracle of the Internet. We have members on both sides of the Earth and in both hemispheres. Any member of the public may register and participate on our site as an associate member; this is a person who does not wish to join as a religious member but who does want to participate in discussions and enjoy the hostility of the Temple. We counsel through our message board and live chartrooms. We have conference telephone calls. We have a fast ?Help Me? system with volunteers available to support members 24/7. We have a 7.73 acre parcel of land donated to us to build the first Jedi Temple. It?s in Beaumont, Jefferson County, Texas. You are correct that a non-profit corporation may indeed be organized for a wide variety of purposes other than as a Church, but our corporate Charter says that we are organized exclusively for religious, charitable and religious educational purposes. See an exact copy of our Articles as filed with the State here: http://TempleOfTheJediOrder.org/totjo-articles.pdf. It says we are a Religion and a Church; the Secretary of the State of Texas accepted our application on that basis. An attorney in the Secretary?s office reviews all filings and they will not accept an illegal or false filing. It is a criminal offense to even attempt to file a false document and I?ve signed my name too it. ?Needless to say, Jedi religion is not recognised [sic] by the IRS as a religion, with all consequences.? -- politicalguru-ga Did you ask them (the IRS)? The IRS does not and cannot recognize any religion at all; see the above excerpt from Universal Life Church v. United States Ibid. A Church is not required to, but may voluntarily, register with the IRS to be included in the public record of 501(c)3 tax exempt organizations. The only IRS requirement for a Church is that if the Church accepts donations, and / or opens a bank account, it must apply for a Tax Identification Number. The Temple applied for and received the federal tax identification number 765655456 and our application states we are a Church. Donations to us are US income tax deductible as donations to a Church. The IRS cannot say we are not a religion but they could argue that we are not a tax exempt Church. On the home page of our site is says we are a 501(c)3 tax exempt Church and donations to us are US income tax deductible. We have received numerous donations. If this is not true, then I am guilty of multiple federal offenses. Since you claim the IRS does not recognize us then you are aware that I have been and am committing a federal criminal offense. It is a federal crime (misprision) to know that someone has committed and / or is committing a federal crime and NOT report it. I do not mean this sarcastically. If you believe that Jediism is a sham, not recognized by the IRS, and especially now that I?ve told you the law, you must believe that we are committing a federal crime and you are legally and morally obligated to report us to the IRS and your local federal attorney. If you don?t you are committing a crime. This is not legal advice and I urge you to check with an attorney. Please report us. I welcome any investigations since it can only prove, once and for all, that we are a real Church and a REALigion. I thank you all for your input. May The Force Be With You All and God Bless, Br. John Henry Phelan http://TempleOfTheJediOrder.org |
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Re: Jedi Jediism Religion
From: duconihilum-ga on 05 Apr 2006 23:27 PDT |
Just giving my .005 cents, but, its a satire religion, just like FSM or IPU. |
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Re: Jedi Jediism Religion
From: xcorefosho-ga on 11 Apr 2006 21:16 PDT |
It's not recognized by the US government as a tax exempt religion in the country. There was a whole big thing about that during the last census. |
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Re: Jedi Jediism Religion
From: nelson-ga on 12 Apr 2006 11:01 PDT |
The U.S. census does not ask about religion. |
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Re: Jedi Jediism Religion
From: fritzy-ga on 04 May 2006 12:42 PDT |
Jediism is a religeon. |
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Re: Jedi Jediism Religion
From: hilboj2-ga on 26 Jul 2006 20:05 PDT |
Jedi dude guy, Ok...honestly...would Yoda spend his time on the net posting his litergy? no. |
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