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Subject:
investing with money mangers
Category: Business and Money > Finance Asked by: krijger-ga List Price: $25.00 |
Posted:
19 Mar 2006 18:24 PST
Expires: 26 Mar 2006 17:51 PST Question ID: 709347 |
why do statistics that all money managers give you, show they outperform all or most investment indices? who are on the other side of the indices, underperforming? |
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Subject:
Re: investing with money mangers
From: ansel001-ga on 19 Mar 2006 22:05 PST |
The statistics are misleading to say the least. They usually make a bunch of investment suggestions. Then they take their most profitable suggestions by time period and string them together by time period to show what you would have made if you put all your invested money in just that series of most profitable investments at those particular times. And of course they ignore transaction fees or tax consequences of buying and selling. Then they compare them to more honest measures of what other money managers earned. Sometimes it is even worse, they will say they recommended buying stock in Company A at, say, $20/share on mm/dd/yyyy and it rose to $100/share on a given date maybe a year later. Note they don't say they recommended selling it then. Another thing they do is choose the time period where they look the best. Be it the last one year, five years, ten years, etc. You should take it with a grain of salt. |
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Re: investing with money mangers
From: ubiquity-ga on 20 Mar 2006 17:44 PST |
In the case of mutual funds, they cannot manipulate the numbers. Performance must be net of all fees. See SEC Form N-1A. So, they must use accurate numbers, and the benchmarks they use do not relfect any fees. That being said, thereis no requirement as to the benchmark they use. Ihave seen bond funds compare themselves to the Lehman U.S treasury index; (which as long as the economy doesn;t tank, will always have better results). Keep in mind, the market has been improving over the past 5 years. If you canmake aportfolio with a beta greater thanone, you should be able to out do the S&P 500, the question is, what happens during a market down turn. What one must be very cautious about is the use of composites. Instead of showing you one fund they manages, they show you a slew of them; unfortunaltely, the criteria is not always clear as to which fundsone should include and which one should not. (Theoretically, all fund must be included except those that are materially different; orif not different, there must be a representation that they are leaving out a fund). |
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Re: investing with money mangers
From: myoarin-ga on 21 Mar 2006 03:45 PST |
Well, of course, money managers provide statistics that seem to prove that they are better than others or the market. Ansel has suggested one method: picking the best of their past recommendations - or what they claim to have recommended. There are so many statistics about financial investments, it is almost always possible to find one that makes the manager's figures look good. As Ansel also mentions, choosing the period for the comparison can be very "helpful". For example, these days, a ten year view of stock value appreciation might not be so attractive, whereas one for the last five years might be good, since the market took a sharp decline early in 2000. Or, they can compare with some average (Dow-Jones, industry, etc.), finding one that makes them look good. |
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