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Does my picture violate copyright laws?
Category: Relationships and Society > Law Asked by: xen0blue-ga List Price: $2.00 |
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21 Mar 2006 19:03 PST
Expires: 23 Mar 2006 21:45 PST Question ID: 710340 |
I have a written a book (http://www.lulu.com/content/214940) and recently my publisher has ceased publication of it because they recieved a complaint from someone saying they did not give me permission to reproduce the picture, despite the fact that 1) it is my picture taken with my camera and 2) it is photoshopped [and cropped] beyond any recognization as to who is in the picture. The picture in question is here: http://www.lulu.com/items/volume_13/214000/214940/7/preview/zoom_214940.jpg and the original picture from which it was photoshopped: http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/9163/p10100037ck.jpg Even if I wasn't give permission to have a picture with that person in it, wouldn't I be covered by fair use laws? | |
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Re: Does my picture violate copyright laws?
From: coolsmartgirl-ga on 21 Mar 2006 20:03 PST |
are you wedded to that image or could you change the cover to comply with lulu's desires? personally i think it's silly and clearly no one would EVER know who that is, but if you aren't like in LOVE with that cover 110%, I'd just change it and move on...(this from a person who is currently asking a copyright question herself, lol). |
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Re: Does my picture violate copyright laws?
From: kirat1234-ga on 21 Mar 2006 21:02 PST |
A few questions/comments to perhaps help folks toward an answer: (1) You say the publisher received "a complaint from someone saying they did not give [you] permission to reproduce the picture." To clarify: is this complaint from another photographer who thinks he/she took the picture and that you're mis-appropriating it? Or is this a complaint from someone depicted in the picture who is claiming he/she never signed a model's release form or otherwise granted permission to be depicted in a photograph that's used for commercial purposes/ (2) You ask "wouldn't I be covered by fair use laws?" If you feel that Fair Use applies to your case (and can convince your publisher of the same) then proceed. But remember that Fair Use "laws" are purposely written vaguely so that each case really has to be looked at on its own merits. Moreover, claiming Fair Use is really an affirmative position, so the only way to know for sure if Fair Use applies in your case is to get sued; go to court; argue "I didn't infringe on someone else's copyright because my usage counts as Fair Use for such-and-such reason"; and have the court agree with you. Maybe you don't want to take those sorts of chances with your work. (Anyway, since a book cover is usually seen as a commercial use, it doesn't seem likely that a "Fair Use" claim for such a use would hold as much water as more acceptable kinds of Fair Use like satire or reportage...) |
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Re: Does my picture violate copyright laws?
From: porges-ga on 21 Mar 2006 21:14 PST |
You are totally within your rights. They have no case against your use of the picture. |
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Re: Does my picture violate copyright laws?
From: myoarin-ga on 22 Mar 2006 03:17 PST |
It should be pointed out that nothing posted on G-A is legal or professional advice - see the disclaimer below - including the following. "Fair use" would not apply in this case. One definition: "The right set forth in Section 107 of the United States Copyright Act, to use copyrighted materials for certain purposes, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. ..." www.library.yale.edu/~llicense/definiti.shtml I was wondering if you could photoshop another photo to approximate the title photo closely enough to argue that the claim was incorrect, but you have blown your cover already. |
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Re: Does my picture violate copyright laws?
From: catatastrophe-ga on 22 Mar 2006 03:36 PST |
When you say it is your picture taken by your camera, do you mean that you took it? If you took the picture, and were not in the employ of another person while doing so, you own the copyright on the photograph and can reproduce or use it as you wish. If you lent your camera to someone and they took the picture, it is their work and they control the copyright. If you do not own the copyright on the image, no amount of Photoshop will stop it from being a derivative work, and if it is a derivative work you do not have the right to use it for commercial purposes under most Western copyright laws. However, if you took the picture, and the copyright is yours, it can be of whoever you want and you can reproduce it as much as you like. Your work is your work, no matter who it depicts. |
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Re: Does my picture violate copyright laws?
From: kirat1234-ga on 22 Mar 2006 06:46 PST |
You write: "Now, since it is my picture taken with my camera and is my image, I know no one else is claiming they own the image, and it is probably my mother (who is depicted in the picture)." OK, we might be getting somewhere with this. Although it is true that if you were the photographer who took the photograph, then you own the copyright to that image. But it's also true that a person has some measure of rights to control the use of their own image. The exact extent of these rights vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but those rights do exist--that's my professional photographers require their models to sign release forms, after all. If your mother is depicted in the picture, and if she's claiming that she never signed a release authorizing the use of her image in that picture or if she's claiming that the use of her image is offensive or defamatory to her, then she can probably make a case for that argument. An if she's raised those sorts of objections with your publisher, then it's understandable why your publisher, not wanting to get dragged into a legal hassle, would prefer you use some other image. Of course, if your mother is making that sort of case, you could counter-argue that the image is permissible for whatever reason (because it's photoshopped beyond reasonable recognition, etc.) The question, then, is if you really want to go through the hassle of kmaking that argument to your publisher and, if necessary, in court. Anyway, if your intuition is correct, and the reason your publisher's raised the issue has to do with your mother objecting to her image being used as a book cover, then the issues you're dealing with are less about the copyright to the photo per se, but more about the rights of a person to control his/her image, and that's a whole different can of worms. |
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Re: Does my picture violate copyright laws?
From: kirat1234-ga on 23 Mar 2006 12:56 PST |
OK, based on your latest clarifications, it seems that, realistically, the question you're facing isn't really "Is it permissible for me to use this photo, altered as it is?" The question you really need to answer is "Is fighting over this image worth it?" Even if you're completely within your legal rights to use this picture as the cover of your book, your publisher (obviously) has some concerns and would rather you select some other image. If you're certain your usage of this image is permissible, will you be able to convince your publisher (by indemnifying them in writing, or by other means they will find convincing)? How much effort will it take you to convince your publisher? Is it worth the time and effort to you? And even if you're convinced your usage is permissible and you do convince your publisher, your mother could still object. She could even start legal action, which you'd have to respond to in court. Do you think it likely that she would do so? If she does, are you willing to go through the time and effort (and expense) to respond to her claim? Is it worth it to you? The disclaimer below reminds us that the comments and answers given here are no substitute for professional advice. But in your case, since your question is rapidly boiling down to your personal opinion--is it worth it to *you* to use this image that, despite seeming to be permissible for you to use, is nonetheless problematic for you to use--it's really going to come down to a matter of your own decision. |
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