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Economics supply and demand
Category: Business and Money > Economics Asked by: eddiehosa-ga List Price: $10.00 |
Posted:
25 Mar 2006 22:35 PST
Expires: 24 Apr 2006 23:35 PDT Question ID: 711998 |
Hi there I'm taking introductory economics and our professor has given us a specific example/formula to calculate the equilibrium price, taking into account elasticity, etc. However, the formula he has given is different from the regular "linear" formulas that we were all used to - i.e. Q = a + bD. He illustrates the new way in an example below: Assuming constant elasticity Demand: Q = AP ^ (-0.3) Supply: Q = BP ^ (0.1) *where -0.3 and 0.1 are their respective elasticities Substitute P and Q into equations to find A and B My question is, how is this different from a regular linear supply/demand formula, and how does it actually work? Why the exponent? How do we use it? i.e how do we represent structural increases in demand, or structural decreases in supply, etc. Are there any examples online? |
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Re: Economics supply and demand
From: frde-ga on 26 Mar 2006 04:56 PST |
This rather worries me. It looks as if he wants you to differentiate the equations. What really concerns me, is what the heck has that to do with Economics ? - I studied the subject at one of the two better known UK Universities about 30 years ago, at a college that taught mathematical economics, also I was pretty competent at pure maths, yet it became obvious to me that arithmetical conundrums (sic) were about as relevant to economics as crosswords are to English literature. I think you might be well advised to publicly ask your tutor 'what is Goodhart's Law' If you do not get a quick and cogent answer, then you are in the wrong class. It is an interesting subject, actually rather useful in a rather slideways manner, in the real world, but reducing concepts to numerology or pilpul indicates that you have a profoundly dim tutor. Mostly economics is a modelling of 'common sense', common sense is quite rare, so modelling it is not entirely daft. Basically whoever set you that is an idiot - but more importantly, /not/ a person who can show you how to think like an economist |
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Re: Economics supply and demand
From: owejessen-ga on 27 Mar 2006 10:31 PST |
Too bad I can't collect the money, but you might try log-linearizing the equations. Not wanting to take too much away from the other comment, this is a standard way of manipulating equations which for some economist becomes second nature. |
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Re: Economics supply and demand
From: demianunique-ga on 29 Mar 2006 11:13 PST |
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Re: Economics supply and demand
From: myoarin-ga on 29 Mar 2006 12:39 PST |
Demian, If you want to see comments by a user, just enter the user name in the box below and search. If you want to check out a G-A Researcher, just click on their blue name, which is a hyperlink. Cheers, Myoarin |
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Re: Economics supply and demand
From: frde-ga on 30 Mar 2006 00:25 PST |
@demianunique-ga MyOarin has given you the method of finding posts I'm not a GA researcher, just a member of the 'peanut gallery' - sometimes I run into questions that make me foam at the mouth - this one rattled my cage |
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Re: Economics supply and demand
From: crimsondan-ga on 02 Apr 2006 04:11 PDT |
The point is to teach you the form for a formula with constant elasticity. The difference between this and a linear form is that a linear form never has constant elasticity - the formula for elasticity is d(Q)/d(P)*P/Q or the first derivative at a given point. In a linear formula, Q=a+bP, d(Q)/d(P)*P/Q is b*(P/a+bP) - so at any given P , the elasticity is different. But in the form Q=2P^(.3) the result is (.6/p^.7)*P/(2P^.3) = .3. So in an exponential function, the curve demonstrates constant elasticity. Also, while economists are notorious for 'assuming' many things, we never assume constant elasticity when it is so easy to prove. The formulas you prove demonstrate constant elasticity, you do not need to assume it. A structural increase or decrease in demand or supply is a shift in the curve up or down without changing the shape of the graph itself. This is called a monotonic transformation. So the upward sloping supply fuction is Q=5P^.3 then a monotonic shift in supply without a drastic change in technologies would be Q=5P^.3+X where X is the factor of the improvement (or reduction in the case of a negative X). |
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Re: Economics supply and demand
From: frde-ga on 02 Apr 2006 19:16 PDT |
@CrimsonDan Ok, assuming that the function of an economist is to observe, understand, and explain things to other people, please do the following :- Explain, in simple terms the implications of different price elasticities of demand, but do it in a way that child could understand it. |
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Re: Economics supply and demand
From: crimsondan-ga on 04 Apr 2006 21:15 PDT |
Price elasticity of demand is the percent change in Q that comes with a percent change in P. When elasticity is zero, you have a vertical demand line and the demand curve is perfectly inelastic. No matter what change in P you have, the quantity demanded will not change. The other extreme is a horizontal demand curve. For any change in price, there is a complete loss of demand. |
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Re: Economics supply and demand
From: frde-ga on 05 Apr 2006 04:16 PDT |
@CrimsonDan Well that is not how I would explain it to a child, or the MD of a large company. This is how I would go about it :- As we all know, when you put the price of a product up, then people generally buy less of it. So if we want to plot the relationship between Price and Quantity sold on a graph, we can put Price on the vertical axis and and Quantity on the horizontal axis [Draw axes on the whiteboard]. The Demand curve is then a line or curve sloping down from top left to bottom right. If we set a Price, then we get a 'box' between the two axes and the point on the Demand line. The area of that box is P x Q which is Total Revenue at that price. Now, if we increase the price a bit, then we want to know whether the area of the box ( Total Revenue ) will increase or decrease. If a 5% increase in Price results in a 10% decrease in Quantity then we can see that Total Revenue will decrease, Economists call the ratio between :- ( Percentage Change in Q ) divided by ( Percentage Change in P ) 'Elasticity' If Total Revenue goes up, when Price goes up, then the Demand is relatively 'InElastic', if Total Revenue goes down when Price goes up then Demand is relatively Elastic. The formula is: [(dQ * 100) / Q ] / [(dP * 100) / P] or : dQ/Q * P/dP or : dQ/dP * P/Q If Elasticity is below 1 then we can get more revenue by hiking the price If Elasticity is above 1 then a price hike will reduce total revenue There is a special case, where Total Revenue remains the same whether you raise or lower the price - in other words the Elasticity is One. If that happens all over the Demand Curve, then the curve has to be 'asymptotic', and will look like this [here one draws a curve on the whiteboard]. The other special cases are a vertical line, which is totally InElastic - and a horizontal line which is totally Elastic. The real thing to watch out for is whether the Elasticity is less or equal to One, if it is, then you can increase (or not reduce) Total Revenue by hiking the Price. If the Elasticity is greater than one, then it might be an idea decreasing the Price, as that will increase Total Revenue, but that might involve buying new machinery, and could increase our average cost. Since nobody really knows what the Elasticity of Demand really is in the real world, it is really only useful as a 'concept' rather than a 'fact'. Economists want to build models, so that they can explain things, and play with 'what ifs'. As a result, they import a little pure mathematics to make equations that they can then 'solve'. Of course, since they invented the equations in the first place, they aren't doing much more than proving that the colour of a Black Cat is ... amazingly ... Black. In the beginning, this was used to give Economics a veneer of scientific respectability, fairly harmless, a bit like doctors using Latin names (or pompous phrases) to cover up the fact that they havem't a clue what is wrong. For example a doctor will tell someone that they have 'Irritable Bowel Syndrome', then talk about it as IBS - when all it means is that the patient has a 'pain in the gut' - which the patient knew anyway. Similarly, in Economics, the b*ll sh*t merchants have got in, and instead of Simplifying and Explaining things, they produce horribly complicated mathematical puzzles in the hope that they will impress the gullible. A side effect of this 'Witch Doctoring' is horrible mistakes like the crunch of the Hedge Fund - Long Term Capital Management - which used Nobel prize winners to baffle and confuse people into not realizing that it was neither Long Term, nor Hedging. Similarly the blind followers of Milton Friedman devastated a fair number of economies because he produced Economic 'theories' that were sufficiently 'mathematical' to sound convincing, yet simple enough for people to think that they understood - when they did not, and nor did he. Should Economics become the last resort of failed mathematicians and failed theoretical physicists, then it would be time to abolish the subject and re-invent it under another name - probably as a branch of psychology. The general rule is that, when people start talking mumbo jumbo, then don't trust a word they say. If you can't understand them, they are either fools, or trying to pull a con. Assuming constant elasticity Demand: Q = AP ^ (-0.3) Supply: Q = BP ^ (0.1) Is utterly meaningless as we have three assumptions, none of which have any bearing on Economics or the real world. Few people know their Supply curve, and nobody knows their customers Demand curve. dQ/Q * P/dP = -0.3 But all that is testing is that one knows the mathematical representation of the measure of 'Elasticity'. Pilpul ! |
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