biblioteket-ga,
Your question posed an interesting search challenge, but I think I've
found a way to isolate the grey literature sites, while avoiding most
of the mainstream builder sites.
The results of my search can be seen here:
://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-04,GGLD:en&q=%2Dintitle%3Abuilding+%2Dintitle%3Avelux+%2Dsite%3Adk+%2Dinurl%3Avelux+velux+window+OR+skylight
Basically, what I have done is eliminated the sites with 'Velux' in
the title or url address, which removed most of the builder sites from
the results.
At the same time, I've specified results that include the terms
'window' OR 'skylight', in order to avoid other uses of the term
'Velux' that are not related to building products.
Of course, your notion of 'grey literature' may be different than
mine, so if the above results don't fully meet your needs, just let me
know by posting a Request for Clarification, and I'll be glad to
continue refining these results until you have exactly what you
needed.
Cheers,
pafalafa-ga |
Request for Answer Clarification by
biblioteket-ga
on
31 Mar 2006 03:38 PST
Hi pafalafa-ga
Thank you for your answer - it seems to be quite "sophisticated", but
I have further questions (as well as new information)
First of all you could say that what I'm trying to find is where VELUX
is mentioned in capacity of being a successful company/brand - as
being a concept more than a product.
And I was a bit greedy and did not tell that I ?only? need information
in Danish, English, German and French, but that?s of course a vital
piece of information.
And I do wonder if I may ask of you to have a look at my attempt to
find the information? If that is okay, then I will return to you next
week with my query.
Thank you in advance
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Clarification of Answer by
pafalafa-ga
on
31 Mar 2006 05:20 PST
biblioteket-ga,
Sure...Ask Away!
I'll wait to hear back from you on your follow-up clarification. I'm
afraid I only know one language (and I barely squeak by in that one),
so I'm not sure how much I can contribute to the Danish/German/French
end of things.
Till next time...
paf
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Request for Answer Clarification by
biblioteket-ga
on
05 Apr 2006 01:55 PDT
Hi Paf
Well ? let me see if I can explain what I?ve been thinking about.
When it comes to the languages I?m planning to do the search using the
?local? Google. (For the Danish I?ll use google.dk, for German
google.de and so on.)
I?ve only been looking into the Danish search, but what I?m trying to
do is to find the word VELUX outside the company-sites. And I?ve been
looking into some of the results and tried to loose some of those that
are obviously irrelevant. I do not have much experience with the
-intitle: command, maybe you can see if it will be helpful in this
context?
The Danish search:
velux -site:velux.dk -site:veluxfondene.dk -site:veluxfonden.dk
-site:veluxfond.dk -site:veluxshop.dk -site:web02.velux.com
-site:accenture.com -site:velux.com -site:soulutionshosts.com
-site:veluxamerica.com -site:veluxsouloutions.com -site:veluxusa.com
-site:suntunnels.com -site:velux.com.tr -site:suntunnels.info
-site:veluxshop.com -site:architectstudent.org -site:velux.ca -site:velux.nz
-site:velux.aus -site:architectstudent.com -site:velux.ie -site:velux.us
-site:velux.co.uk -site:veluxblindsdirect.co.uk -site:velux.co.nz
-site:velux.ch -site:velux.com.au -site:velux.de-site:solarkids.de
-site:dachausbautraum.de -site:velux.at
I have to major ?problems?. One is the fact that Google only have
space for 32 search terms and the other is that even though Google
tells me that there are more than 100.000 hits ? it only shows 992
hits. I know that it?s due to the time-out and this is just the way it
is, but still?
If you have any comments or helpful suggestions I would love to hear
them. Thanks again.
;-) Jette
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Clarification of Answer by
pafalafa-ga
on
05 Apr 2006 05:26 PDT
Jette,
I believe I can help you further on this, and I'm happy to do so.
But first, I need to get a better understanding of what you're after,
and to do that, I need some very specific feedback from you.
Please take a look at the search results link I provided in my initial
answer, and let me know (1) how well it does or doesn't meet your
needs (2) which sites, in particular, are good ones for what you need
(just pick out five real good ones), and (3) why the sites you choose
are good -- what is it about them that puts them on target?
Once I have that information in hand, I think I will be clear on what
you really need, and can try to target some searches to get you the
best results possible.
Cheers,
paf
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Clarification of Answer by
pafalafa-ga
on
05 Apr 2006 05:28 PDT
Also,
Have a look at this link, too:
://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2005-04%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=-intitle%3Abuilding+-intitle%3Avelux++-inurl%3Avelux+velux+-window+-skylight&btnG=Search
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Request for Answer Clarification by
biblioteket-ga
on
07 Apr 2006 06:33 PDT
Hi Paf
I'm sorry I have not yet been able to look further into your
suggestion - I will get back to you as soon as possible.
;-) Jette
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Clarification of Answer by
pafalafa-ga
on
07 Apr 2006 06:40 PDT
OK.
Please be aware that I'll be offline for most of next week, and back
in action around April 17, so you may not hear back from me before
then.
Cheers,
paf
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Request for Answer Clarification by
biblioteket-ga
on
10 Apr 2006 06:42 PDT
Hi Paf
I'm away to so I'll get back to you on the 18'th of April
;-)
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Request for Answer Clarification by
biblioteket-ga
on
18 Apr 2006 01:07 PDT
Hi Paf
I trust you?ve had a few nice days off and are ?back in business? ;-)
I will now try to broaden my request even though it?s difficult to hit
the right ?tone? when I write in English. My explanations may be a bit
muddled, but I hope you?ll get the point though.
I?ve been looking at your query and as far as I can see, the title
?intitle and Inurl? are the ones that makes sure that I don?t get any
hits from the VELUX company-sites? I just can?t seem to grasp if the
exclusion of -intitle:building and -window -skylight are a good thing.
Perhaps I should try to explain more about what kind of information
I?m looking for?
Since Google only shows very few hits (Results 768 of about 2,660,000)
and you only can use 32 search terms I?m going to look at the basic
search and then type in some of the recurring addresses that are
obvious not relevant and thus try to make the shown hits as relevant
as possible?
What I want is what business people are writing in reports, in
conference materials and in employee magazines and so on. All the
mentioning of VELUX that is outside the VELUX companies and their
business partners websites is interesting (apart from DIY talk)-even
what ordinary people write in their webblogs, in their diary and so
on, will be of interest. That is why I?m confused about exclusion of
-intitle:building and -window -skylight. I realize that this is a
search for the needle in the haystack, but that?s ?all right? as long
as I?ve thought of ?everything? and can account for why I?m searching
the way I do? Uhmmm did that clarify anything?
I hope to hear from you soon
;-) Jette
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Clarification of Answer by
pafalafa-ga
on
18 Apr 2006 04:49 PDT
Jette,
Thanks...that helps a lot.
I think that, rather than trying to fine tune the search, we might be
better off fine tuning the *source*. There are many types of
specialty searches that pull information from particular types of
sources, some of which may well be what you're looking for.
Here is what I mean:
Google Groups searches discussion forums:
http://groups.google.com/groups?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-04,GGLD:en&q=velux
Google News searches recent press releases and news stories:
http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-04,GGLD:en&q=velux
Here's the same search on [ velux ] except that I added [ -oceans ] to
remove the stories on yachts:
http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2005-04%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=velux+-oceans
Guess what Google Blog Search searches...?
http://search.blogger.com/?q=velux&btnG=Search+Blogs&hl=en&ui=blg
and again, without [ oceans ]:
http://search.blogger.com/?q=velux+-oceans+-ocean&btnG=Search+Blogs&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&ui=blg
Google Book Search looks through books:
http://books.google.com/books?q=velux&as_brr=0
while Google Scholar searches academic papers, conference materials, etc:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=velux&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en
Of course, each of these searches are, themselves, amenable to
fine-tuning so that you can remove references to [ oceans ], [ "wind
tunnels" ], or any other results that are not on-target for your
needs.
Let me know how these look to you.
paf
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Request for Answer Clarification by
biblioteket-ga
on
19 Apr 2006 03:40 PDT
Hi Paf
It seems to be a good idea as a supplement. I think I'll still have to
do a basic search on googl.de, google.fr and so on, in order to
present a result that will be accepted, but I?ve reached the
conclusion that this is as best as I can do, so I?m going to say thank
you very much for your kind help.
;-)
Jette
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Clarification of Answer by
pafalafa-ga
on
19 Apr 2006 04:37 PDT
Thanks so much for the kind feedback.
If there's anything more I can do for you, feel free to let me know.
paf
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