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How do protestant churches determine who is a "saint"?
Category: Relationships and Society > Religion Asked by: goldenboy5230-ga List Price: $15.00 |
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05 Apr 2006 08:09 PDT
Expires: 28 Apr 2006 08:10 PDT Question ID: 715709 |
If sainthood is something that is conferred by the Catholic Church through the beatification process, how do other churches determine who is a saint? There are many non-Catholic churches named after one saint or another. It occurs to me that sainthoods conferred before the various protestant splits from the Church may be carried through. Is that the answer? Do any protestant churches or denominations articulate who they consider to be saints? Or is it simply a less formal status than with the Catholic church? | |
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Re: How do protestant churches determine who is a "saint"?
From: techtor-ga on 05 Apr 2006 08:14 PDT |
From what I know, the system of beatification of a saint, making that person a patron of later believers, is used in the Catholic Church only, and maybe other similar churches. I believe in modern evangelical church doctrine, anyone who has received Christ and the Holy Spirit and is living under this Spirit is a saint. I attend such a church. They don't venerate special people to consider "saints," although notable people in the church are publicized and remembered. |
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Re: How do protestant churches determine who is a "saint"?
From: myoarin-ga on 05 Apr 2006 13:24 PDT |
"There are many non-Catholic churches named after one saint or another." I expect that most of these are Anglican (or Episcoplian) churches, and that in America you will find that almost all of these are only named after one of the Evangelists, Mary or Joseph, or one of the Apostles - a fairly understandable selection. There may, of course, be several other names used: Francis, Jude, Anthony, Catherine and other well known martyrs. Perhaps these names were chosen in recollection of a church of the same name in Europe, from whence the the founders of the parish came. In England and on the Continent during the Reformation, many existing Catholic churches named after other saints were converted to the Lutheran or Anglican faith and continued with their existing names. In the 16th century, the break with the Roman Catholic church did not repudiate all the Church's teachings and beliefs, including calendar of saints, so there was no perceived need to change the names. Remember, Henry VIII broke with the pope for political and personal reasons; Luther wanted the reform the Catholic Church originally. |
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Re: How do protestant churches determine who is a "saint"?
From: amber00-ga on 05 Apr 2006 16:08 PDT |
The Church of England has no formal canonisation process but can add new names to the calendar of saints. For example, Josephine Butler was added about 15 years ago. (G@@gle on her for more information.) And the Oxford Book of Saints mentions that there are five English churches decicated to King Charles I: presumably because of his martyrdom. He has never been formally canonised. I somehow doubt that the future King Charles II will be considered as living a life of heroic virtue. |
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Re: How do protestant churches determine who is a "saint"?
From: pugwashjw65-ga on 08 Apr 2006 08:14 PDT |
Making " Saints" out of good people is a man made idea and has no basis in Bible scripture. The word or even the Hebrew equivalent, does not occur in the Bible. Along with " Trinity". Just because a lot has been written about the subject, does not make it 'right' in God's eyes. Matthew 7; 21-23 "21 ?Not everyone saying to me, ?Lord, Lord,? will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. 22 Many will say to me in that day, ?Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name?? 23 And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew YOU! Get away from me, YOU workers of lawlessness". |
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Re: How do protestant churches determine who is a "saint"?
From: tutuzdad-ga on 08 Apr 2006 08:29 PDT |
pugwashjw65-ga said: "Making " Saints" out of good people is a man made idea and has no basis in Bible scripture. The word or even the Hebrew equivalent, does not occur in the Bible." I don't what version of the Bible you use, but in mine the word "saint" or "saints" appears more that 100 times. Here are a few that I know of right off hand but in The Book of Psalms alone the reference is made dozens of times: Psalm 16:3 Psalm 106:16 Daniel 8:13 Philemon 4:21 Deu 33:2 Deu 33:3 1 Samuel 2:9 2 Chronicles 6:41 Job 5:1 Job 15:15 tutuzdad-ga |
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Re: How do protestant churches determine who is a "saint"?
From: tutuzdad-ga on 08 Apr 2006 08:33 PDT |
Ok, I counted them and in Psalms the word appears exactly 20 times - not "dozens", but certainly a lot more than "none". |
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Re: How do protestant churches determine who is a "saint"?
From: myoarin-ga on 08 Apr 2006 17:39 PDT |
I wonder what the Hebrew word in the Psalms is, and if it has anything like the connotations the word "saint" has for Catholics? |
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Re: How do protestant churches determine who is a "saint"?
From: pugwashjw65-ga on 09 Apr 2006 18:31 PDT |
Tutuz. It seems its all in the translation. When I said that the word ' Saint' does not appear, that particular word doesn't. The original word is " Ha-gi'os" which in the New world translation ios rendered ' holy one' or 'holy ones'. Variations are ' ha-gi'on', ha-gi'os', ha-gi'ous', 'ha-gi'ois'. Obviously all mean the same, singular or plural. I hope this helps Myoarin. |
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Re: How do protestant churches determine who is a "saint"?
From: myoarin-ga on 09 Apr 2006 19:00 PDT |
Yes, thanks, Pugwash. The word "Saint" is, of course, related to sanctify, make or made holy, so as a translation it is appropriate. One can have his own opinion about the Catholic church's identifying persons as such. Myoarin |
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