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Subject: Se7en
Category: Arts and Entertainment > Movies and Film
Asked by: badabing-ga
List Price: $2.00
Posted: 05 Apr 2006 16:29 PDT
Expires: 05 May 2006 16:29 PDT
Question ID: 715904
may have been the first (?) to use this number inside of a word
technique for film and TV titles.  is there a term for this?

thanks!
G?
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Subject: Re: Se7en
Answered By: denco-ga on 08 Apr 2006 12:24 PDT
Rated:5 out of 5 stars
 
Gracias G?!

Does the "?" indicate you are in your second version?

Transnumeration initially came to mind to me to descibe the overall concept
of what is being expressed in a movie title such as "Se7en."  If the word
hadn't been coined already, I would have done so for this question.

The paper that you reference, "IS WHAT YOU SEE WHAT YOU GET? REPRESENTATIONS,
METAPHORS AND TOOLS IN MATHEMATICS DIDACTICS," has some nice passages on the
subject, and I particularly liked this concept from the (very good!) paper.

"Thus the process by which learners create meaning is embedded within the
setting or context and is mediated by the forms of interaction and by the
tools being used."

I have always found it interesting that when "$" is in a movie listing,
it always has the parathetic (Dollars) as if we don't get that "$" means
"Dollars."

If you need any clarification, please feel free to ask.


Search strategy:

Google search on: transnumeration
://www.google.com/search?q=transnumeration

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Clarification of Answer by denco-ga on 09 Apr 2006 11:01 PDT
Apologies, I should have used a better citation format for my reference
and quote within my answer.  Thnaks for referencing this paper, Granny.
A great reference and good read as well!

"IS WHAT YOU SEE WHAT YOU GET? REPRESENTATIONS, METAPHORS AND TOOLS IN
MATHEMATICS DIDACTICS" by Janet Ainley, Bill Barton, Keith Jones, Maxine
Pfannkuch and Mike Thomas.
http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/13999/01/Ainley_et_al_Representations_metaphors_tools.pdf

"The literature on representation currently makes little reference to
notions of metaphor even though work on the latter ... shows how it is
possible to point to deep metaphors which are implicitly embedded in our
language and which are therefore part of the way we talk/think, whether
we like it or not. Metaphor, in the general sense, characterises the
substitution of one similar concept for another one."

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badabing-ga rated this answer:5 out of 5 stars and gave an additional tip of: $10.00
ayup, ß is a 'different' version of myself.  all of us have one; we
just don't always set them free publicly.  and coin away, my brother,
since this word doesn't seem to be in a dictionary yet (although I
haven't searched glossarist.com in their math section).  I do
appreciate your 'looking forward' (and aft) for this term and your
understanding of what I was going for in my question.   It was a bit
difficult to describe.  here are some extra $ (superfluous) for your
efforts.  I really appreciate everyone taking part in granny's
intercalary interlocutory session.

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Subject: Re: Se7en
From: pinkfreud-ga on 05 Apr 2006 16:51 PDT
 
I don't know whether there's a special term for this, but the current
TV series NUMB3RS does a similar thing.
Subject: Re: Se7en
From: cynthia-ga on 05 Apr 2006 18:13 PDT
 
I owned a business many moons ago called "Trans4mations" --I'm also
curious to see if there's a name for this!
Subject: Re: Se7en
From: denco-ga on 05 Apr 2006 19:01 PDT
 
Howdy badabing-ga!

I am going to do suggest transnumeration.
http://calvin.linfield.edu/~jfreder/M118/oldfaithful.pdf

"Transnumeration is a coined word, meaning "numeracy transformation for
facilitating understanding."

Works for me, anyway.

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Subject: Re: Se7en
From: badabing-ga on 06 Apr 2006 08:47 PDT
 
ayup, I?ve caught 'NUMB3RS' a time or two and it certainly fits the
context of the show with the brother?s chalkboard jones.  usually I
see at least one new program on the lineup (this season it?s Fox?s
?Unan1mous?) so this representational naming doesn?t seem to be going
away.  I think '$' may have been the first film to use a variation of
this device back in the 70's.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068152/

but it?s not so much the sound of the number but that the number
substitution gives you a clue of what the show is about.  Like the
?S1m0ne? computer generation angle.  the E2 boys, who seem to be doing
a form of it themselves, have a few more examples.
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1151294

Seņor Denco, you might be on to something with ?transnumeration? as
the context seems to fit with math or puzzle or mystery.  granny
wanted to call it a ?gonubus,? a numerical rebus, but I don?t think
that actually represented the program?s context.  shall we wait to see
if any additional suggestions/ideas come in this weekend and, if not,
I?m satisfied with your answer as a ?poss1ble.?

thanks for all your comments, gang!
Subject: Re: Se7en
From: pinkfreud-ga on 06 Apr 2006 16:35 PDT
 
I suspect that the spread of "leetspeak" may bring us more titles such
as Se7en and MUMB3RS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet
Subject: Re: Se7en
From: pinkfreud-ga on 07 Apr 2006 10:42 PDT
 
Please excuse my odd typo. Dunno what 'MUMB3RS' might be. Ms and Ns
always mix me up. Or nix me up, as the case may (or nay) be.
Subject: Re: Se7en
From: tutuzdad-ga on 07 Apr 2006 12:28 PDT
 
This may actually be a neologism in itself, but what you are referring
to could effectively be called a "numerical meme".

"A unit of cultural information that represents a basic idea that can
be transferred from one individual to another, and subjected to
mutation, crossover, and adaptation."
GOOGLE (of course)
://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=define%3Ameme

Otherwise, your example appears to be similar to what is known as a "PHONEME": 

"a set of phones (speech sounds or sign elements) that are cognitively equivalent."
WIKIPEDIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoneme

...or a "MORPHEME": 

"the smallest language unit that carries a semantic interpretation."
WIKIPEDIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morpheme

How's that?

tutuzdad-ga
Subject: Re: Se7en
From: tutuzdad-ga on 07 Apr 2006 12:51 PDT
 
Better still, the word SE7EN might also be considered a GRAPHEME. A
grapheme is a word containing a symbol representing the same sound
that we have been taught to make associations with when learning to
read.

"Graphemes include letters, Chinese ideograms, numerals, punctuation
marks, and other glyphs."
WIKIPEDIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapheme

Yes? No?

tutuzdad-ga
Subject: Re: Se7en
From: badabing-ga on 08 Apr 2006 10:23 PDT
 
leetspeak does seem to be what it's become -- gimmicky -- but that
wasn't exactly what I was after.  used sparingly, I think this
technique is quite effective.  others might say affective.   but the
title lent some added value to the film (Se7en, in particular), as the
V for victim concept was certainly knocked sideways in the story
besides the obvious 7 Deadlies reference -- along with all the other 7
references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se7en
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven

all the -emes don't quite match the message or gestalt of the film
(for me, at least), having more to do with language structure rather
than a full-on concept, but thank you!

it's a bit subjective, I know, but I think 'transnumeration' works
best, especially after reading the last few pages here:
http://www.crme.soton.ac.uk/publications/kjpubs/Ainley_et_al_IWYSWYG_Representations_metaphors_tools.pdf

Denco, please post your answer and thanks to everyone who offered
suggestions.  I appreciate your time!

if anyone comes up with something better, I'll be glad to post you a
separate question.
Subject: Re: Se7en
From: pinkfreud-ga on 08 Apr 2006 12:55 PDT
 
I noticed that the posters for the recently-released movie "Lucky
Number Slevin" have an upside-down 7 as the letter L in "Slevin."

http://comingsoon.net/nextraimages/luckynumberslevinreview.jpg
Subject: Re: Se7en
From: badabing-ga on 09 Apr 2006 10:11 PDT
 
interesting!  and another film with Morgan Freeman.  what are the
odds?  so the trend continues....
Subject: Re: Se7en
From: denco-ga on 09 Apr 2006 11:14 PDT
 
I hope your "transnumeration" is going well, Sister G?, and much thanks
for your quintastellar(!) rating and generou$ tip.

Your questions are always a delight and always a pleasure.  Thanks!

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