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Subject: escow service
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: tonywong001-ga
List Price: $10.00
Posted: 08 Apr 2006 09:58 PDT
Expires: 08 May 2006 09:58 PDT
Question ID: 716816
I have been defrauded by a faked escow company a big time. I want to
track the fraudster down by using a "sucker" email sent from an
untracable email account. Can someone please tell me how to set-up it
up properly, in terms of content of the email and methodology, to scam
the scammer?

Clarification of Question by tonywong001-ga on 10 Apr 2006 09:53 PDT
All I know so far is that that fraudulent site is related to the AOL
account abompensa@aol.com, was registered through one of XO
Communication's Server. The fraudulent website is www.3rdpart.net, and
it is still up. The email address of the fraudster was Crilov
Alexandru <crilov01@yahoo.com>, and the email address of the 3rd
partner phony escow site is <support@3rdpart.net>.
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Subject: Re: escow service
From: maddave-ga on 08 Apr 2006 15:48 PDT
 
Tony, just to confirm, do you want to track them down to a physical address?
Subject: Re: escow service
From: mjeshtri-ga on 09 Apr 2006 05:23 PDT
 
i can help ya maybe... :)
Subject: Re: escow service
From: tonywong001-ga on 09 Apr 2006 09:39 PDT
 
Yes. I want to track them down to a physical address, the real
address. Yes, those scammers have scammed hundreds of people, and need
to be stopped. If you can help, you will be doing the society a great
favor, and if you indeed help to apprehend those people, you name will
be remember in history forever.
Subject: Re: escow service
From: tonywong001-ga on 09 Apr 2006 20:21 PDT
 
Hi mjeshtri-ga or maddava-ga, I am still waiting for your reply. I
know it's not easy to trick the scammers, that's why I need some
expert opinion. I will even pay you a certain cut of the money that I
can recover, if your tip ultimately leads to recovery of my money.
Subject: Re: escow service
From: frde-ga on 11 Apr 2006 05:11 PDT
 
I see you have done the basic research - good.
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=www.3rdpart.net

The first thing you need to do is to set up an absolutely untraceable
Email address.

Many ISPs will allow you to set up multiple Email accounts, they look
much more authentic than something at Yahoo. You could use Gmail, but
ideally you want to look very real.
Getting a new PAYG SIM for an old mobile 'phone is also a good idea.

I recommend Pegasus as it allows you to control multiple Email
identities, although setting it up is ... obscure to say the least.

Ensure you are on a roving IP, and make it get a new address before sending stuff.

Send Emails to yourself and examine the (hidden) headers.

You would be wise to go to : www.419eater.com and look at the Forum,
don't post until you have thoroughly read about ASEMs (which is a form
of 'sucker' bait)
- in fact you should learn quite enough without posting
- just checked, you now need to register to get in there.
- mostly they deal with Nigerian scams - but the same principles apply
- don't be mistaken, the humour is just a lure to get people involved.

The trick is to look like a sucker, and rather a stupid one, but
wealthy enough to get the scammers salivating. At a certain point they
will get careless.

The trouble is that your scammers sound 'Russian' to me, probably
ex-USSR, like Moldovia - so it is unlikely that you'll get your cash
back.
- highly unlikely.

You could screw with their minds, and get them to show up links in the USA
Subject: Re: escow service
From: tonywong001-ga on 11 Apr 2006 21:17 PDT
 
Hi frde-ga,

You are my savior. You know the stuff so well that's amazing. Yes, the
scammers asked me to ship the item to an address in Moldovia, You knew
about it just by my mentioning of the email address. That's amazing. I
am sure they have U.S. connections. 100% sure. I believe all their
stolen credit cards used to setup the faked escow sites are American
Visa cards. Again, you are correct. By the way, can you tell me more
about roving IP and how do I set it up properly? I believe that it's a
service offered by your ISP if they indeed have that technology. Am I
correct, please correct me?
Subject: Re: escow service
From: frde-ga on 12 Apr 2006 00:18 PDT
 
@Tony

Good to see you're getting a handle on scamming.
Even if you don't get your money back, you'll learn enough to not get
taken in again, and even better you'll warn other people.

With a Dial up or DSL connection to your ISP, you are allocated a
unique IP number (address) by your ISP. They have a mass of them and
simply deal them out as needed.

Mostly they give you a new/different number each time you connect, but
some ISPs provide fixed numbers.

If you go to http://www.dnsstuff.com/  you will see your IP in the top
right hand corner.  If you are on dialup or DSL then unplug the
connection and then plug it in again.  Probably that number will
change.

If you are logging in from a company, then it is possible that your
company has a bank of fixed IPs - in which case just by looking at
your Email headers someone could possibly get enough information to
pinpoint you to just one building.

You can be darn sure that those scammers have some US connections,
some will be patsies cashing dodgy cheques and wiring the money off
into the wild, others will be servicing physical mail boxes which they
will just use a few times and then abandon.  Generally it looks as if
people involved in one type of scam are also involved in other types. 
It is quite easy to prove, an 'accidentally sent Email' saying that
you've cleared the cheque and wired the money will elicit a response
from someone running a fake bank or an Escrow scam ....

You'll find this rather interesting, but make sure you cover your tracks.
Good Luck !
Subject: Re: escow service
From: scamalert419-ga on 13 Apr 2006 18:53 PDT
 
Hi Tony, I replied to another post of yours about this fake site and I
can and will get this fake site shut down before it does anymore
damage to anybody.
it is hosted by XO Communications and I have notified them already and
will send them a more detailed report on this fake escrow website
tommorrow.
you can phone xo.com to complain about this abuse of their service
1.866.285.6208 if you prefer.

as frde says the harsh reality of it is that its highly unlikely to
get any money back from these people.
not only do they use fake email addresses to spam you with, the
registrants of the websites are always fake too or they use real
victims credit card details and address details to register the fake
sites, with a 'throw-away-free' email address.
if you sent them any credit card details best to get those cards cancelled.
you may be also insured by your credit card company against fraud so
that may be some way to get some money back if its the case.
I would also report it to your local police station too. depends on
where you are, not sure what they will do to be honest, but at least
you have something to go back to should your details be used by the
scammers in the future.
If you plan to 'play' with them or 'bait' them then definitely head
over to 419eater.com and learn how to play with them. read the
stickies and get a mentor for baiting. and remember as frde says
never, ever give out your personal information to the scammers.
I am intrigued to know how you know that "I (you) believe all their
stolen credit cards used to setup the faked escow sites are American
Visa cards."
Subject: Re: escow service
From: cynthia-ga on 13 Apr 2006 19:09 PDT
 
I would like to add that the "US Participant" may be just a "Regular
Joe," an unwitting participant drawn in by the lure of a
"Work-At-Home" scam.  See this:

http://www.fraudaid.com/Scamspeak/Nigerian/check_processing_scam.htm#elements

The scam is the same regardless of this describing a Nigerian Sacm. I
have a very good friend that tried this, she received a check for
$80,000.00 in the mail before she became suspicious. She was supposed
to deposit it in her bank, and forward all but 10% of it to her
"Contact."
Subject: Re: escow service
From: tonywong001-ga on 14 Apr 2006 12:41 PDT
 
thanks for all of your information. They are very helpful. By the way,
do any of you know how can I get a mentor for baiting and do sucker
emails? By the way, have you seen the newest posting on
http://forum.escrow-fraud.com/viewtopic.php?t=264, by escowscamvictim?
Do any of you want to help?

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