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Subject:
Form 709 Gift Tax Form
Category: Business and Money > Accounting Asked by: sport5-ga List Price: $10.00 |
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12 Apr 2006 17:35 PDT
Expires: 12 May 2006 17:35 PDT Question ID: 718357 |
Is it possible that once the lifetime exemption is used up (currently you can gift up to $1,500,000) that a $387,000 gift to a grandchild could generate a gift tax and a generation skipping tax of approximately $400,000 ? | |
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Re: Form 709 Gift Tax Form
From: cabmi-ga on 18 Apr 2006 14:33 PDT |
It is entirely possible to come up with a combined gift tax and generation skipping tax of more than $400,000 on a gift of $387,000. The key thing to remember is that the generation skiping tax paid by the donor is treated by the IRS as an additional taxable gift by the donor to the recipient, which makes the gift tax higher than you would expect. Assuming a donor in the highest gift tax bracket (47% in 2005) who had used up all unified credit and GST exemption, a gift of $387,000 would be taxed as follows: GST would be $387,000 x 47% = $181,890 The deemed gift for gift tax purposes would be $387,000 + $181,890 = $568,890 The gift tax on $568,890 would be $568,890 x 47% = $267,378 Total tax would be $181,890 + $267,378 = $449,268 Of course, the total tax would be lower if the donor is not in the absolute top tax bracket. Once the generation skipping tax comes into play, it's very easy to have the total tax be above $400,000 on a gift of $387,000. |
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Re: Form 709 Gift Tax Form
From: denco-ga on 18 Apr 2006 15:14 PDT |
The section "The key thing to remember is that the generation skip[p]ing tax paid by the donor is treated by the IRS as an additional taxable gift by the donor to the recipient ..." is wrong. The Generation Skipping Tax (GST) is an additional tax, but is not considered an additional taxable gift. The website of "The Law Offices of Jimmie L. Joe" gives a good example. http://www.theestateplanninglawyer.com/articles_six.html "The GST Tax is an additional tax separate from the estate tax. Thus, for example, if $2,500,000 of the couple?s $5,000,000 estate (after deducting the couple?s estate tax exemptions) were left to the grandchild outright, $1,250,000 (50%) would be paid in estate taxes and $625,000 (50% X $1,250,000) would be payable in GST taxes, leaving the grandchild with a total inheritance of $625,000." Using the above percentages on the question's numbers would give us: Estate taxes - $387,000 x 50% = $193,500 GST - $193,500 x 50% = $96,750 Total taxes - $290,250 My research shows the percentages of 50% are a bit low, hence my original estimate of around $330,000. Looking Forward, denco-ga - Google Answers Researcher |
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Re: Form 709 Gift Tax Form
From: dontteadonme-ga on 18 Apr 2006 17:57 PDT |
Keep in mind that the unified transfer tax and the generation skipping tax are separate taxes. Moreover, the Unified Credit and the GST exemption are both applied independetly. The GST exemption was $1,120,000 in 2003 (future years will be slightly higher because of inflation). That means you can give that much in generation skipping gifts in your lifetime EXEMPT from the GST. The regular transfer tax still applies to that type of gift, so it can still eat into the unified credit, even if the GST exemption covers it. For example, a $1,000,000 gift to your grand child would be subject to both gift tax and GST. You would be able to exempt out of the GST and then apply some of your unified credit to exempt the $1,000,000 from regular transfer tax. Combined gift and GST tax should not produce more tax than the underlying gift, though the combined rates can be very high. Be sure that you have actually exhasuted your full GST exemption, though. Also, with those types of amounts at stake (assuming these facts are real and not for a homework assignment) you absolutely need to find a top notch CPA, or better yet, a tax attorney. |
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Re: Form 709 Gift Tax Form
From: cabmi-ga on 19 Apr 2006 06:35 PDT |
People really should be opining here unless they know what they are talking about, and there is a vast difference between the estate tax treatment of the GST and the gift tax treatment of the GST. Here's Internal Revenue Code Section 2515: "In the case of any taxable gift which is a direct skip (within the meaning of chapter 13), the amount of such gift shall be increased by the amount of any tax imposed on the transferor under chapter 13 with respect to such gift." Translation: If a taxable gift is also a direct skip for generation-skipping transfer (GST) tax purposes, the amount of the taxable gift is increased by the amount of any GST tax imposed on the transferor with respect to the gift. I stand by my first answer. |
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